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TOPIC: Wild Citrus
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 19 2008 10:03 pm
From: James Parton
ENTS,
While visiting dad in the Lowndesville area of upstate SC I have
noticed very citruslike bushes or small trees growing wild there. I
had always identified them as Osage Orange. Dad had always insisted
that many of them did not quite match the description of Osage
Orange citing the fruit was smoother and less lumpy than Osage
Orange though he said he has found Osage Orange growing wild there
too. He calls the other smoother fruited orange " Wild Citrus
" I never could find another wild growing citruslike tree other
than Osage so I thought it must be a cultivar or subspecies of it. I
brought it up on ENTS several months back but had no replies
concerning the topic. Judy Bailey, who I work with brought in a
gardening magazine and while looking at it I came across a picture
of a citrus that looked like the wild ones found at dads. It is
called Trifoliate Orange. It is not a true citrus but is a very
close relative to it, in fact so close that true citrus can be
grafted to it
to increase cold hardiness. After comparing pictures of Trifoliate
to pictures of the wild oranges found in dads area I found them to
be a perfect match. In his area the " wild citrus " is
primarily Trifoliate Orange with some Osage Orange mixed in. Osage
orange is not a true citrus either but is closely related to the
mulberry. Trifoliate Orange is sometimes classified as an invasive.
http://www.invasive.org/browse/subject.cfm?sub=11571
http://www.cnr.vt.edu/dendro/dendrology/syllabus/factsheet.cfm?ID=392
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osage-orange
Here is a Trifoliate Orange that I transplanted to my old home on
Justice Hills Dr in Dana NC.
James Parton
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TOPIC: Wild Citrus
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 20 2008 7:52 am
From: Will Fell
Actually Trifoliate Orange is very much a citrus (Poncirus
trifoliata)
and it is hardy up into the mid atlantic states. The Osage Orange on
the other hand is no relation whatsoever. The fruit of the
trifoliate,
is very sour and seedy, however it is widely used as hardy rootstock
on many of the commercial varieties. I have several citrus in my
yard,
Mandarin Oranges, Grapefruit and Kumquats that are all budded
(grafted) on trifoliate rootstock. They are quite common in
fencerows
up in the piedmont region of GA and the Carolinas, not sure why
though. A nurserman, McKenzie Farms in upstate SC near Florence, has
done quite a bit of work breeding it with kumquats and other hardy
forms and sells hardy edible citrus crosses that will survive up
into
the Carolinas.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 20 2008 7:55 am
From: "William Morse"
i've seen both species planted as hedges because of their thorns,
especially on old homesteads. a local golf course here in western ny
has a 600-ft wall of osage orange planted along their frontage.
travis
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 20 2008 8:33 am
From: James Parton
Will,
Yes, I can see why it can be used for fences. Planted close together
it would be an impenetrable hedge. It is also planted as an
ornamental
as well and would do well planted near windows of homes do
discourage
peeping toms.
JP
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TOPIC: Wild Citrus
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 20 2008 7:58 pm
From: James Parton
ENTS,
Has anyone ever heard of a true citrus, like oranges, ( Other than
trifoliate or osage ) lemons or grapefruit becoming naturalized and
growing wild in the US? Like in Florida or other southern states.
Apples for example grow wild as well as cultivated.
James.
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TOPIC: Wild Citrus
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 21 2008 4:59 am
From: Will Fell
The Spanish Orange, Citrus auritum (sp???) is frequently found in
the
coastal region of GA and Fla. It was the original orange brought
over
was widely planted near homes and settlements. I've encountered it
on
the coastal islands and even on Billys Island in the Okefenokee
Swamp.
I understand the Key Lime also grows wild down on the keys.
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 21 2008 5:49 am
From: "William Morse"
A friend of mine down in central FL told me of a thorny hedge plant
that has escaped cultivation and is referred to locally as wild lime
(Zanthoxylum fagara). It is in the citrus family Rutaceae; however,
from what I've been told, its fruit is not palatable. Of concern to
the citrus industry, it serves as a host to Citrus Greening disease.
Travis Morse
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 21 2008 8:02 am
From: "Lee E. Frelich"
James:
We don't have any wild oranges in Minnesota, but we do have a native
shrub
Zanthoxylum americanum, prickly ash, formerly spelled Xanthoxylum,
which is
related to citrus. It smells like lime. I fell down a bluff on the
Minnesota river valley once and got hung in the stuff. Its
incredibly
thorny, and I had to be chopped out by a field assistant to escape,
since
it had grabbed my pants and shirt in several places and I could not
move by
myself.
Prickly ash invades oak savannas in the absence of fire, so it is
the
justification for many prescribed burns.
Lee
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 21 2008 8:27 am
From: James Parton
Lee,
Ouch!! That does not sound pleasant at all. I could only imagine
getting hung up in a patch of Trifoliate Orange. Does Prickly Ash
have
a citruslike fruit?
James P.
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 21 2008 10:12 am
From: "Lee E. Frelich"
James:
It has two small slightly fleshy seeds in each fruit maybe 1/4 inch
long,
so its not really like a citrus fruit. The leaves really do look
like ash
leaves, so thats where it got its name.
Lee
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 21 2008 10:28 am
From: James Parton
Will F, ENTS.
Here are the Wikipedia links on Citrus and Poncirus. Many
professionals believe that Poncirus should be included in the citrus
group.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citrus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poncirus
JP
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 21 2008 10:39 am
From: James Parton
Lee,
Here are two links you may find interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanthoxylum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutaceae
JP
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TOPIC: Wild Citrus
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 22 2008 4:27 am
From: Will Fell
We call the Prickly Ash, toothache tree down here as you can chew on
a
twig and it will numb your jaw and tongue. It does work,
surprisingly
quick and effectively. Around here you mainly find it on shell
middens
and limestone.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 22 2008 2:33 pm
From: James Parton
Will F,
It has anesthetic properties. I bet the Native Americans have known
that for many years. I can't ever recall finding Prickly Ash here in
the mountains of North Carolina. I wonder if Larry Tucei has ever
found any " wild " citrus in the swamps & lowlands of
Mississippi.
James Parton
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