| RE:
Giant sequoias on the east coast |
wad-@comcast.net |
| Apr
08, 2005 19:32 PDT |
ENTS
Today I visited a neat site that was planted in the 1940's. The
owner of the property had planted Sequoiadendron giganteum
around the outside of a field. There were over 40 trees. This
site is about 10 miles from the location of the state champ
giant sequoia at Tyler arboretum. There were short squatty ones
and tall narrow ones. It was just incredibly interesting to
visit the grove here in eastern Pa. Some were two feet thick or
better. Gotta love that spongy bark. I was in search of two
William Penn trees, that unfortunately have passed on. The
property is an old grist mill that still retains 160 acres,
which is rare in these parts. They also had several Metasequoia
that were planted in the 40's, which was shortly after they were
rediscovered in China. 1947 I think. Native to the US through
fossils!
Scott
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| Re:
Giant sequoias on the east coast |
Don
Bertolette |
| Apr
08, 2005 22:12 PDT |
Scott-
You remind me that I had a similar fascination with the coastal
redwoods that were planted at the National Forestry Institute in
New Zealand in 1906...they were over 200 foot high, and walking
through them gave the strongest sense of homesickness I'd ever
had (had recently come from Northcoast of California). Except
the tree ferns were quite abit taller...
-Don
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| Re:
Giant sequoias on the east coast |
wad-@comcast.net |
| Apr
09, 2005 05:15 PDT |
Don
I haven't tried to grow redwoods yet, but they are on the list.
I am waiting to see if the sitka spruce, noble fir, and live
oaks are going to make it here in Se Pa. The evergreens look
good, but the live oak seedlings were killed to the ground.
There are new shoots coming up though. Maybe when they have
better root systems, they will be able to make it through the
winter in better shape. Looks like my Florida yew made it
through the winter too. It will be an exciting spring.
Scott
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| RE:
Giant sequoias on the east coast |
Ernie
Ostuno |
| Apr
10, 2005 08:24 PDT |
A few years ago I visited the Lake Bluff Audubon Center which is
a few
miles north of Manistee, MI on the western shore of Lake
Michigan.
Several non-native species planted there were flourishing,
including
giant sequoia and ginkgo:
http://www.michiganaudubon.org/massanct.html#8
The sequoia there is the Michigan champion and I collected seeds
from
several of the fallen cones. I also have seeds from the stand of
Monterey Cypress along 17 Mile Drive near Carmel, CA that I
collected a
couple years ago.
Question to the tree experts: is there any special way to get
these
seeds to sprout?
Ernie
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| RE:
Giant sequoias on the east coast |
Darian
Copiz |
| Apr
11, 2005 06:18 PDT |
Scott,
There's a sequoia on the U.S. Capitol grounds, or at least there
was
last time I looked. They have removed a good number of trees
during the
new visitor center construction and anti-terrorism construction.
The
sequoia is a nice tree, not very large, maybe about 30' tall
with about
a 2 1/2' wide trunk. It has somewhat of a bonsai aspect to it.
Darian
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| RE:
Giant sequoias on the east coast |
Will
Blozan |
| Apr
11, 2005 06:29 PDT |
Darian,
I measured it a few years ago; ~15' X 45' tall- awesomely gnarly
tree!. If I
stand on my roof in the winter, I can see the North Carolina
State
Co-Champion. It is something like 8' X 53' and another tree
where I went to
college is 6'8" X 74'.
Will
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| RE:
Giant sequoias on the east coast |
Lee
E. Frelich |
| Apr
11, 2005 08:11 PDT |
Ernie:
Go to the Forest Service online woody plant seed manual:
http://www.ntsl.fs.fed.us/wpsm/
Then click on 'GENERA', and it will give you a list from which
you can
choose Sequioiadendron and Cupressus, the two genera you are
interested in,
and it will give you a pdf document that tells everything we
know about
their seeds.
Lee
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| RE:
Giant sequoias on the east coast |
wad-@comcast.net |
| Apr
11, 2005 09:02 PDT |
Darian,
Will, ENTS
the Pa state champ is at Tyler Arboretum in Lima Pa. It is about
4 miles from me. It is 159 CBH 99' tall and 33' average spread. I
have a book with a picture of it from 1919. All of the Sequoias
at that 1940's site had the "bonsai" look too, so I
know what you mean. It looks like there is a plug in the
terminal bud, and all that energy is going to bust out the
sides. I guess if you are going to grow as tall as they do, you
have to build a serious foundation!
Scott
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| RE:
Giant sequoias on the east coast |
edward
coyle |
| Apr
11, 2005 09:40 PDT |
Ernie,
I was looking up sources for conifer seeds on the web and found
many. The
listings for Giant Sequoia had germination rates of 40% as
normal for the
species. If you need more you can buy them online.
Ed C
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| RE:
Giant sequoias on the east coast |
wad-@comcast.net |
| Apr
11, 2005 09:50 PDT |
Ed,
Ernie
I use Lawyer nursery in Montana. You can buy sequoias bare root
from them, they also have an extensive seed selection. http://www.lawyernursery.com
Scott
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| RE:
Giant Sequoias |
wad-@comcast.net |
| Jul
20, 2005 19:26 PDT |
Dale, BVP, Will, ENTS
Well I almost had a new champ, although the current champ was
last measured with just a clinometer. The tree I visited today
was planted by the same person, Minshall Painter, back in the
1840's.
The current champ Sequoiadendron giganteum weighs in as follows:
159" CBH 99' tall with a 33' avg spread for 266 points
The challenger came in at:
148" CBH 86.2' tall with a 31' avg spread for 242 points
Here are two pics of the second largest sequoia in Pa
12.3x86.2 located in Delaware county Pa 242 point tree
I believe this tree will eventually surpass the current champ,
as it is a single leader. The champ has three leaders from
someone taking a very original Christmas tree back in the day.
I am confident, that these are the two largest Sequoias in PA,
and possibly the east coast and they are within minutes of each
other. Also near here there is a field of approx. 30-40 more
Sequoias that were planted in the 1940's
Scott
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| RE:
Giant Sequoias |
Dale
J. Luthringer |
| Jul
25, 2005 08:46 PDT |
Outstanding
Scott!
~165 years to attain 12.3ft CBH… I know these planted
specimens are
babies compared to BVP’s massive monsters.
Did you measure the current champ too, or were you just giving
the old
measurement? What counties and cities are they in?
I believe those are the first giant sequoias measured by ENTS in
Pennsylvania.
Bob VanPelt,
How fast can some of your sequoias grow in that same period of
time?
Will, Bob, Jess, et. al.
Has anyone else measured any giant sequoias so far in the east?
Dale
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| RE:
Giant Sequoias |
wad-@comcast.net |
| Jul
25, 2005 08:59 PDT |
Dale
I used my clinometer measurement from a couple of years ago for
the current state champ. I can very easily re measure it as it
is a mile from my house. There is another smaller one across the
street from my house that I can measure too. Seems to be a
popular tree around here. All three are in Delaware county. the
Champ is in Media, Pa. the runner up is in Cheyney, Pa. number
three is in Elwyn, Pa. I will get some numbers soon on the champ
and number three.
Scott
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| RE:
Giant Sequoias |
Willard
Fell |
| Jul
25, 2005 11:47 PDT |
I
haven't measured any, but some while back I saw some nice ones
at a place called Longwood Gardens. It was part of the Dupont
Estate near Wilmington DE. As I understand it, the arboretum
there was started back before the War Between the States so many
of the trees there could be over 150 years old.
Here in GA there are no sequoias that I am aware of, but we have
several Coast Redwoods, the largest CBH I am aware of being 151
inches (12.6 ft).
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| RE:
Giant Sequoias - NC SEQUIOAS |
Will
Blozan |
| Jul
25, 2005 14:06 PDT |
Two
NC State Co-Champion are within 5 miles of my house. I see one
everyday.
They are not huge, the largest 8’3” X 55’ in girth and the
tallest 6’8” X
74’. The biggest I have ever seen in the east is on the US
Capitol grounds
and is around 15’ in girth.
BVP lead me to a huge sequoia in Portland that was immense, but
not very
old.
Will B.
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| RE:
Giant Sequoias |
wad-@comcast.net |
| Jul
25, 2005 18:08 PDT |
Will
Longwood gardens is down the road from me by a half an hour.
They have several champion trees there. I have never seen a
coast redwood growing around here, but they are on my list to
try. My Sitka spruce and noble fir have made it through two
serious winters here in Se Pa.
Scott
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| RE:
Giant Sequoias |
Ernie
Ostuno |
| Jul
27, 2005 14:54 PDT |
The Michigan state champion Giant Sequoia is located at the Lake
Bluff
Audubon Center in Manistee, MI and was 89 feet tall with a CBH
of 12.6
feet as of 1995. Coincidentally, I was up there on Monday and
took some
photos of it, though I didn't do any measuring. I was told that
the tree
was 56 years old...although it's hard to believe that it
attained that
height/girth in only 46 years.
Ernie
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