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TOPIC: Categorizing Tree Growth Habits
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 21 2007 9:43 am
From: "Edward Frank"
ENTS,
We have been talking about multitrunk trees recently. I am going
to add a section on the ENTS website that will include a listing of
the largest multi-trunk trees. At the top of the list will be the
Seven Sisters Live Oak documented by Larry Tucei. Toward that goal
it is necessary to make an attempt to define the various growth
habits of trees. Below are my ideas, and if you have input or
revisions to the grouping please post your ideas for discussion.
Category 1: Single Trunk This is the standard growth form of most
trees consisting of a single large trunk growing from a simple root
mass below ground. Measurements for this form are defined by the
Tree Measuring Guidelines of the Eastern Native Tree Society by Will
Blozan. It should be noted that if the tree branches below 4.5 feet,
then the girth is measured at the narrowest point below the lower
branching. Shrubs have been described by some definitions as smaller
woody plants with multiple stems at ground level. Many shrubs
however, when they are of larger size, will have a single stem at
ground level that can be measured using the criteria for trees in
general. (I have often wondered if smaller species might better be
measured at some lower height than 4.5 feet, since this represents a
large proportion of their size and tends to under-represent the size
of the stem/trunk. Comments?) Sometimes, especially in open areas,
small sucker shoots may grow around the base of larger trees. These
are not considered as multiple stems as they tend to be very small
and short lived.
Category 2: Multi-trunk Trees This is the second largest category of
tree forms. These are trees and shrubs that have more than one stem
growing from a single root mass. These generally form when the
original stem of the tree was damaged, broken, or browsed by
animals. This results in new stem sprouting from the root mass. In
general these stems are all of similar age and size. Trees commonly
growing in flood plains, such as Silver Maple and Willow, commonly
are damaged during floods and this may be the most common growth
form of the species. Trees growing as second growth forest after
timbering operations also have a higher than normal incidence of
multiple trunk trees due to damage of small trees during the
operation and from stump sprouts. The different stems of these
multi-trunked trees often flair outward. The girth of the
multi-trunk stem mass should be measured at a height of 4.5 feet. If
the trunks flair outward the girth should be measured at the
narrowest point below 4.5 feet and the height above the ground
noted. The number of individual stems making up the measured girth
should be noted, in addition any stems not included in the girth
measurement should also be noted. Where possible the girth of the
largest single stem should be measured at 4.5 feet or at whatever
height it becomes separate from the multi-trunk mass for comparison
with single trunk trees. The height of the largest stem, and the
crown spread of the multi-trunk mass should also be measured. A
website from Great Britain http://www.treeregister.org/measuringtrees.shtml
is the first site I have found that tries to define how to measure
multi-trunk trees:
Category 3: Clonal Coppice Some tree species form coppices in which
the initial tree sends out lateral root branches, or rhizomes, and
new tree stems sprout from these lateral roots. This process
continues and the result is a clonal cluster of trees derived from a
single original tree. Common examples of these coppices include the
mound-like sumac colonies and rhododendron patches. This spreading
by roots is not the only method of propagation for these colonies,
as they also produce seeds. It may be difficult or impossible to
distinguish whether something is a clonal coppice, or simply a
cluster of individual trees growing close to each other based upon
simple observation alone. However there are some clues that can be
used. In a clonal coppice the trees typically are oldest in the
center and younger toward the edges. Also if the species is sexually
dimorphous, meaning that there are distinct differences between the
male and female fruiting bodies and that the individual trees are
either male or female, if it is a clonal coppice all of trees will
be of the same sex. If they are of different sexes, then it is a
cluster of different trees. In a clonal coppice, the largest
individual tree should be measured for comparison with single trunk
trees. In addition the number of stem in the coppice should be
counted, and the area of the coppice should be noted.
Category 4: Clonal Colonies This in many ways is the same process as
described for clonal coppices, but on a far larger scale. The
primary type example of a clonal colony is the aspen. Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspen says: All the aspens (including
White Poplar) typically grow in large colonies derived from a single
seedling, and spreading by means of root suckers; new stems in the
colony may appear at up to 30-40 m from the parent tree. Each tree
only lives for 40-150 years above ground, but the root system of the
colony is long-lived, in some cases for many thousands of years,
sending up new trunks as the older trunks die off above ground. For
this reason it is considered to be an indicator of ancient
woodlands. One such colony in Utah, given the nickname of "Pando",
is claimed to be 80,000 years old, making it possibly the oldest
living colony. Some aspen colonies become very large with time,
spreading about a metre per year, eventually covering many hectares.
They are able to survive intense forest fires as the roots are below
the heat of the fire, with new sprouts growing after the fire is
out. The Pando colony in Utah contains an estimated 47,000 stems and
occupies 107 acres. The shear scale of these colonies suggests to me
that they are not only quantitatively different from the simple
clonal coppice, but represent a fundamentally different class of
growth form. In the case of these clonal colonies, again if the
species is sexually dimorphous, and most aspens and poplars are
dimorphous, all of trees in the colony will be of the same sex. In
addition they will typically all change colors in the fall, and
sprout leaves in the spring at the same time. For measurements
purposes, the largest individual specimens should be measured for
comparison with single trunk trees, the area of the colony should be
mapped, and the number of individual stems in the colony estimated.
Category 5: Conjoined Trees Sometimes two trees may grow to large
size adjacent to each other and grow together. These may be of the
same species or even trees of two different species. I am calling
these conjoined trees. (This is the first of several oddball
categories).
Category 6: Fallen Trees There are cases where an individual tree
has fallen, from wind events or other causes. On these fallen trees
the upright branches form new vertical trunks, and roots may sprout
from the surface of the tree where it touches the ground. These are
unusual and should be considered on a case by case basis. Jess
Riddle wrote: "I most often see smooth barked species in
floodplains forming new trunks after falling. In Congaree National
Park, American holly and ironwood commonly produce vertical shoots
after falling." Lee frelich reports: "Black spruce also
does this. On very rare occasions white pine and balsam fir can do
it, but apparently only in boreal forests with deep moss. I have
seen hemlock spread out like a carpet across the forest floor in the
snow forest in the Porcupine Mountains, MI, after saplings were
knocked over by heavy snow accumulation, but am not sure if its
rooted in places other than the original trunk. The willows in MN
floodplains (black willow, peach leaf willow) sometimes also turn
into a row of trees after blowing over." These are unusual
specimens and no standard protocol for documenting them would be
workable. They need to be considered on a case by case basis.
Category 7: Tree Complexes Lee Frelich described some white cedar
growing in swales in the Door Peninsula of Wisconsin: "Many
ancient white cedars line the swales, and many more are fallen into
the swales, but remain alive, with the individual branches turning
upright to become new trees, which then blow down a few hundred
years later in many directions, and their branches become trees as
well, the whole tangle a historical puzzle that may be hundreds or
even a thousand or more years old. I call these cedar complexes.
Sometimes it isn't even clear if they (genetically) are one tree; if
another tree falls across a downed cedar, it can graft to the other
tree." Situations such as this where there are a tangled mass
of trees, re-sprouting, grafting, and other processes can have no
better name than a complex. They need to be documented on a case by
case basis.
Category 8: Banyan Tree There are several examples of this tree
planted as an exotic in the United States. http://www.panoramas.dk/fullscreen7/f23-banyan-tree.html
It is a member of the fig family. http://www.haryana-online.com/Flora/barh.htm
"(Ficus bengalensis), a remarkable tree of India and tropical
Africa sends down from its branches great numbers of shoots, which
take root and become new trunks. A single tree thus may spread over
a large area and look like a small forest. This tree, belonging to
the family Moraceae, is considered to be sacred in some places in
India. A specimen in the Calcutta botanical garden is more than 100
years old. It has a main trunk 13 feet (4 m) in diameter, 230 trunks
as large as oak trees, and more than 3,000 smaller ones. The largest
banyan tree known is on the island of Sri Lanka. It has 350 large
trunks and over 3,000 small ones. The banyan often grows to a height
of over 21 meters and lives through many ages. " I would
consider this to include any tree that produces multiple trunks
through the growth of aerial roots that grow to form new trunks.
Edward Frank
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 21 2007 3:25 pm
From: Steve G
Ed-
Another possible category might be the mangroves of S Florida--sort
of
related to banyans in habit, but with multiple stilted roots rather
than multiple stems.
Steve
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Date: Wed, Nov 21 2007 7:39 pm
From: "Edward Frank"
Steve,
Thanks for the suggestion. A listing of unusual form should be
included.
Another one I was thinking about are large epiphytic trees. I saw a
40 foot
western hemlock growing on a western red cedar in Olympic National
park.
Other epiphytic examples are scattered around infrequently
everywhere. There
is no special measurement criteria, because they are each unique
situations.
For the large stilted roots - what would you suggest? Measure the
spread of
the arched roots? What about the bald cypress knees? Note have far
they
extend from the main trunk?
Ed
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TOPIC: Categorizing Tree Growth Habits
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Date: Wed, Nov 21 2007 6:37 pm
From: DON BERTOLETTE
Ed-
I've attached a MS Word document where I've pasted your text below,
and used the "Track Changes" program, in order to avoid
your wrath at interspersing comments in text below...hopefully this
will be acceptable, as when agreed upon in academia, it's a more
amenable editing process.-BDon
Comments by Don Bertolette in Red
Category 1: Single Trunk This is the standard growth form of most
trees consisting of a single large trunk growing from a simple root
mass below ground. Measurements for this form are defined by the
Tree Measuring Guidelines of the Eastern Native Tree Society by Will
Blozan. It should be noted that if the tree branches below 4.5 feet,
then the girth is measured at the narrowest point below the lower
branching.
It has been common practice among foresters to
define a forked tree as one that branches below 4.5' above root
collar, and to take measurement of both forks above swelling
Shrubs have been described by some definitions as smaller woody
plants with multiple stems at ground level. Many shrubs however,
when they are of larger size, will have a single stem at ground
level that can be measured using the criteria for trees in general.
(I have often wondered if smaller species might better be measured
at some lower height than 4.5 feet, since this represents a large
proportion of their size and tends to under-represent the size of
the stem/trunk. Comments?)
What point is there to establish a standard
(4.5')? Follow the standard, they're NOT underrepresented, they're
accurately measured...it may be that an * is needed to explain
divergence from a standard...
Sometimes, especially in open areas, small sucker shoots may grow
around the base of larger trees. These are not considered as
multiple stems as they tend to be very small and short lived.
Category 2: Multi-trunk Trees This is the second largest category of
tree forms. These are trees and shrubs that have more than one stem
growing from a single root mass,
below 4.5' in height.
These generally form when the original stem of the tree was damaged,
broken, or browsed by animals,
or coppice reproduction from falling (natural
or man-caused)
This results in new stem sprouting from the root mass. In general
these stems are all of similar age and size,
but will often reduce to developing one, or a
few dominant stems.
Trees commonly growing in flood plains, such as Silver Maple and
Willow, commonly are damaged during floods and this may be the most
common growth form of the species. Trees growing as second growth
forest after timbering operations also have a higher than normal
incidence of multiple trunk trees due to damage of small trees
during the operation and from stump sprouts. The different stems of
these multi-trunked trees often flair outward. The girth of the
multi-trunk stem mass should be measured at a height of 4.5 feet. If
the trunks flair outward the girth should be measured at the
narrowest point below 4.5 feet and the height above the ground
noted. The number of individual stems making up the measured girth
should be noted, in addition any stems not included in the girth
measurement should also be noted. Where possible the girth of the
largest single stem should be measured at 4.5 feet or at whatever
height it becomes separate from the multi-trunk mass for comparison
with single trunk trees. The height of the largest stem, and the
crown spread of the multi-trunk mass should also be measured. A
website from Great Britain http://www.treeregister.org/measuringtrees.shtml
is the first site I have found that tries to define how to measure
multi-trunk trees:
Stems developing from a very large stump, will
have a very large hollow...this would falsely inflate a 4.5' height
dbh measurement. I agree with the GB website to some extent, at
least a good point to discuss from. But I don't think you
interpreted it correctly...they suggest two measurements of a tree
forking below 4.5' (well 5' in their case), one at narrowest point
below fork and above base being sure to make note of height taken
at, and two, measurement of individual stems at a point were the
swelling immediately above the forking diminishes, and making note
of those. I would not think it appropriate for ENTS to measure live
oaks girth where a cross-sectional plane taken at height measured
wasn't 'all wood'. To be more specific, were the tree measured at
knee height with 7 stems/piths all 12" in diameter above
swelling, it should be recorded as 1)species ~ live oak, girth at 2'
above root collar, with seven stems of 12" diameter.
Category 3: Clonal Coppice Some tree species form coppices in which
the initial tree sends out lateral root branches, or rhizomes, and
new tree stems sprout from these lateral roots. This process
continues and the result is a clonal cluster of trees derived from a
single original tree. Common examples of these coppices include the
mound-like sumac colonies and rhododendron patches. This spreading
by roots is not the only method of propagation for these colonies,
as they also produce seeds. It may be difficult or impossible to
distinguish whether something is a clonal coppice, or simply a
cluster of individual trees growing close to each other based upon
simple observation alone. However there are some clues that can be
used. In a clonal coppice the trees typically are oldest in the
center and younger toward the edges. Also if the species is sexually
dimorphous, meaning that there are distinct differences between the
male and female fruiting bodies and that the individual trees are
either male or female, if it is a clonal coppice all of trees will
be of the same sex. If they are of different sexes, then it is a
cluster of different trees. In a clonal coppice, the largest
individual tree should be measured for comparison with single trunk
trees. In addition the number of stem in the coppice should be
counted, and the area of the coppice should be noted.
You've done your homework here Ed, but I don't
think it matters whether an aspen has adjacent reproductive clones,
or not...if there is a record breaker in the milieu, then it just
gets measured according to the 4.5'H standard....only certain
species do this (most notably Populus tremuloides), and it's
understood that there may be clones nearby.
Category 4: Clonal Colonies This in many ways is the same process as
described for clonal coppices, but on a far larger scale. The
primary type example of a clonal colony is the aspen. Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspen
says: All the aspens (including White Poplar) typically grow in
large colonies derived from a single seedling, and spreading by
means of root suckers; new stems in the colony may appear at up to
30-40 m from the parent tree. Each tree only lives for 40-150 years
above ground, but the root system of the colony is long-lived, in
some cases for many thousands of years, sending up new trunks as the
older trunks die off above ground. For this reason it is considered
to be an indicator of ancient woodlands. One such colony in Utah,
given the nickname of "Pando", is claimed to be 80,000
years old, making it possibly the oldest living colony. Some aspen
colonies become very large with time, spreading about a metre per
year, eventually covering many hectares. They are able to survive
intense forest fires as the roots are below the heat of the fire,
with new sprouts growing after the fire is out. The Pando colony in
Utah contains an estimated 47,000 stems and occupies 107 acres. The
shear scale of these colonies suggests to me that they are not only
quantitatively different from the simple clonal coppice, but
represent a fundamentally different class of growth form. In the
case of these clonal colonies, again if the species is sexually
dimorphous, and most aspens and poplars are dimorphous, all of trees
in the colony will be of the same sex. In addition they will
typically all change colors in the fall, and sprout leaves in the
spring at the same time. For measurements purposes, the largest
individual specimens should be measured for comparison with single
trunk trees, the area of the colony should be mapped, and the number
of individual stems in the colony estimated.
Just off the top of my head, I have to
question whether ANY species of tree survived successive ice age
waves in Utah over 80,000 year period...extrapolations on clonal
colony growth aside.
Category 5: Conjoined Trees Sometimes two trees may grow to large
size adjacent to each other and grow together. These may be of the
same species or even trees of two different species. I am calling
these conjoined trees. (This is the first of several oddball
categories).
Now this one I like...I have seen this before
and agree...it's an oddball category!
Category 6: Fallen Trees There are cases where an individual tree
has fallen, from wind events or other causes. On these fallen trees
the upright branches form new vertical trunks, and roots may sprout
from the surface of the tree where it touches the ground. These are
unusual and should be considered on a case by case basis. Jess
Riddle wrote: "I most often see smooth barked species in
floodplains forming new trunks after falling. In Congaree National
Park, American holly and ironwood commonly produce vertical shoots
after falling." Lee frelich reports: "Black spruce also
does this. On very rare occasions white pine and balsam fir can do
it, but apparently only in boreal forests with deep moss. I have
seen hemlock spread out like a carpet across the forest floor in the
snow forest in the Porcupine Mountains, MI, after saplings were
knocked over by heavy snow accumulation, but am not sure if its
rooted in places other than the original trunk. The willows in MN
floodplains (black willow, peach leaf willow) sometimes also turn
into a row of trees after blowing over." These are unusual
specimens and no standard protocol for documenting them would be
workable. They need to be considered on a case by case basis.
They very seldom attain much size, as the
connection to the roots usually negates effective nutrient/moisture
transport mechanisms. Several species in the west do this, and
extremes do occur, but seldom larger than normal structure.
Category 7: Tree Complexes Lee Frelich described some white cedar
growing in swales in the Door Peninsula of Wisconsin: "Many
ancient white cedars line the swales, and many more are fallen into
the swales, but remain alive, with the individual branches turning
upright to become new trees, which then blow down a few hundred
years later in many directions, and their branches become trees as
well, the whole tangle a historical puzzle that may be hundreds or
even a thousand or more years old. I call these cedar complexes.
Sometimes it isn't even clear if they (genetically) are one tree; if
another tree falls across a downed cedar, it can graft to the other
tree." Situations such as this where there are a tangled mass
of trees, re-sprouting, grafting, and other processes can have no
better name than a complex. They need to be documented on a case by
case basis.
Agreed...another odd-ball category
Category 8: Banyan Tree There are several examples of this tree
planted as an exotic in the United States. http://www.panoramas.dk/fullscreen7/f23-banyan-tree.html
It is a member of the fig family. http://www.haryana-online.com/Flora/barh.htm
"(Ficus bengalensis), a remarkable tree of India and tropical
Africa sends down from its branches great numbers of shoots, which
take root and become new trunks. A single tree thus may spread over
a large area and look like a small forest. This tree, belonging to
the family Moraceae, is considered to be sacred in some places in
India. A specimen in the Calcutta botanical garden is more than 100
years old. It has a main trunk 13 feet (4 m) in diameter, 230 trunks
as large as oak trees, and more than 3,000 smaller ones. The largest
banyan tree known is on the island of Sri Lanka. It has 350 large
trunks and over 3,000 small ones. The banyan often grows to a height
of over 21 meters and lives through many ages. " I would
consider this to include any tree that produces multiple trunks
through the growth of aerial roots that grow to form new trunks.
How does this differ from a clone?
Edward Frank
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Date: Wed, Nov 21 2007 8:39 pm
From: "Edward Frank"
ENTS,
Don Bertolette made the comments above about my various
categories. To avoid my deadly wrath he did not intersperse his
comments in the text, but sent them as a separate document. I have
forwarded these comments, marked in red for those who receive
individual emails, and broken out into separate paragraphs and
underlined for those of you receiving digests or viewing from the
Google Site. I welcome further comments, and will consider them,
although I do not promise to incorporate them all into the
definitions. My replies are listed below.
Category 1: a) Measuring at both below and above the low branch -
Just measuring the diameter of each fork is not part of the ENTS
protocol. It seems reasonable to me, to measure both above and below
the fork, but I am not trying to revise the standards for measuring
single trunk trees. b) I think there needs to be standards for
measuring trees overall so that different measurements from
different areas can be compared. What I am looking at in this regard
is that if you use the measurement standard of the narrowest point
on the trunk below the first branching, and you are looking at a
forest of stunted trees, such as are shown growing atop Mt. Greylock,
then each tree will be measured at a different height, because they
all surely branch below 4.5 feet. Establishing a standard
measurement point at say 1 foot, for specimens shorter than some
value - say 10 feet - would allow better comparisons of these small
dwarfed trees or other trees and shrubs of smaller size between each
other. They could also be measured at 4.5 feet, but what does that
really tell us about the tree? The scale of measurement needs to be
appropriate to whatever it is you are trying to measure. I am all
for standardization, but not in favor of blindly following an
inappropriate standard.
Category 2: a) I don't understand what the phrase below 4.5 feet in
height means in this context - it seems to be changing the meaning
of what I am am saying. b) I like this addition. c) This concept is
fine also, but we are looking at multi-trunked trees in this
category, so in this case they did not by definition reduce to a
single stem or they would not be multi-trunked. Perhaps some
rephrasing would be appropriate. d) I did not misinterpret the GB
article as I did not use it a a guideline for what I was proposing.
I referenced it to allow others to look at it for further
suggestions. As for the example - yes I would list the circumference
of the tree including the air space occupied by the former stump.
Otherwise I would also state the number of stems, measure the girth
of each stem, and indicate that they formed a hollow ring I would
not discount the girth of the entire ring simply because the ring
was hollow. Perhaps I am wrong about this, and I will think about
it.
Category 3: a) Yes of course you would measure the largest
individual in the clonal coppice, The other measurements - counting
the number of stems, and the area they occupy is an attempt to
describe the coppice as a whole. If you were to consider these
coppices to be a single organism because of how they formed, then
these measurements are appropriate. Even if you don't consider them
to be one organism, documenting a discrete growth pattern for the
coppice is still worth doing. Only certain species do this - yes,
but that is not a good reason not to consider them to be a separate
category.
Category 4: I am not arguing whether or not this aspen clonal colony
is is fact 80,000 years old, I am just quoting a source that asserts
that idea. Similarly mesquite rings are purported to reach 50,000
years, and so forth. I am not completely convinced of these age
extrapolations. I will be happy to delete that portion of the
description to alleviate any disagreements on the point.
Category 6: I have seen these features and think they are
interesting. They may be short lived, and not generally reach large
size, but they are a valid form and I included them on the list. I
don't think Don disagrees with the idea that they are a different
oddball form.
Category 7: How do these differ from a clone? Not by very much,
except the connections between the different trunks are above ground
rather than underground. These are generally viewed as a single tree
with a large dominant trunk and many minor secondary trunks. Growth
of new trunks from descending aerial roots is a clearly different
mechanism than growing sprouts from lateral roots, although the net
effect is similar.
I want to thank Don for his comments and consideration of the
proposed categories. They are not set in stone, and I will think
about his comments more as the process continues.
Ed Frank
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 21 2007 9:16 pm
From: James Parton
Ed,
Would Fused trunked trees be included as multi-trunked trees or
single
trunked? Some trees are obviously two grown together as one but
others can be so complete to appear as a single trunked specimen. In
the file upload section I uploaded a picture of a European Beech on
the Biltmore Estate.
It is listed as a champion tree. At first
glance
it appears as a single trunked tree. Will brought it to my attention
awhile back about it being a fuzed specimen. In time trees as this
may
become indistinguishable from trees that have always had a single
trunk.
James Parton
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 21 2007 10:28 pm
From: "Edward Frank"
James,
One thing I left out of my descriptions was the basic rule of piths,
If a
tree has a single pith at ground level, it is a single trunk tree.
If it
has two or more piths at ground level, and all the stems are growing
from a
single root mass, it is a mutlitrunk tree. In your question the
tree
could either be multitrunk which is the most likely, or it could
be
conjoined trees, in which two completely separate trees grew
together.
There will always be a problem of determining if a tree trunk
represents a
single stem or multiple stem, especially if the tree is large and
the
potential multiple stems have fused into one. The person doing the
measurement must simply use their best judgment. The results may not
be
perfect, but short of cutting down the tree, it is the best that can
be
hoped for by simple observation. If the two stems, are of the same
species,
and there is no clear evidence they really are two separate trees
that are
conjoined, then it will be best to consider the example to be a
multitrunk tree rather than a conjoined tree. While it is
possible that
more than two trees could become conjoined, that is very unlikely,
and if
there are more than two trunks of the same species, the specimen is
almost
without exception a multi-trunk tree.
Most of the measures we are using are derived directly or indirectly
from
measurements used for decades or centuries in the logging industry.
They
were developed as practical tools for the use of lumbermen and
foresters.
They are an excellent place to begin evaluating the forest and
individual
trees. However when evaluating an individual tree as a biological
entity,
we must consider are these the best way to measure a particular
parameter of
a tree? The height of the girth measurement is an example. At 4.5
feet we
have a reasonable measure and no good reason to change it for most
trees.
But it is still an arbitrary measurement designed initially to be a
convenient measurement to help determine the number of board-feet in
a tree.
I am therefore encouraging people to try to think out of the box,
about how
best to measure some aspect of trees, how to create these tree habit
categories, and how individual trees are related to the forest as a
whole.
Edward Frank
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Date: Thurs, Nov 22 2007 5:32 am
From: dbhguru
Ed,
I second what you've said. The multiple-stemmed-single tree versus
multiple fused trees situations need to be addressed in an ENTS
thorough way. My personal preference is one of thoroughness. one
can't take too many measurements. I'm fine with taking the standard
ones. No reason not to for comparison purposes, but to stop at a
couple or three measurements has always struck me as not being very
serious.
Bob
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TOPIC: Categorizing Tree Growth Habits
http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees/browse_thread/thread/dce4d1ec55fe19eb?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 28 2007 9:47 pm
From: Ed_Frank
ENTS,
First I would like to thank Don Bertolette, Steve Galehouse, James
Parton, and the infamous Bobby Leverett for responding to my post. I
am sure that most of you did not respond because of apathy rather
than
my obviously brilliant classification scheme. The thread of this
discussion is posted on the Google site at:
http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees/browse_thread/thread/dce4d1ec55fe19eb
We have had a number of discussions in the past among ENTS people
about how to deal with multitrunk trees. These are posted on the
ENTS website. In order to have a category of Multitrunk trees,
you
first need to: 1) figure out what is a multitrunk tree, 2) explain
how it is different and can be distinguished from a single trunk
tree, and 3) explain how it is different from all of the other growth
forms a tree may have. To do this you need a method of categorizing
different growth forms.
For background information I want to pose some basic ideas in group
theory. If everything is lumped into a single group it is difficult
to lok at the members of that in a meaningful way. There is a need
to
break the larger group into smaller parts so that members of these
smaller groups can be contrasted and compared with individuals in
other smaller groups and so that they can be contrasted and compared
to each other within the smaller group. Only in this way do patterns
of meaning appear. If there are too few categories, then it is
difficult to contrast differences, if there are too many groups,
then
each group is almost like a unique individual, making it hard to
compare characteristics among members. There needs to be a reasonable
number of sub-groups, neither too few or too many, in order to make
sense of the information that is gathered about the characteristics
of
individuals, in this case individual trees. How these groups are
defined should be done in a meaningful way. When looking at natural
systems, rather than arbitrary boundaries being defined, the breaks
used should be ones that correspond to natural breaks between
different aspects of the natural system.
In order to make comparisons and contrasts between members of
different groups, and between members of the same group, there needs
to be, to a large degree, an universal standard of measurement
shared
among all the groups. For trees, we have a standard of height, and
girth at breast heght. There are some variations in girth
measurements, but for the vast majority of trees girth can be
sandardized at breast height. The shared measurement standards must
be clearly defined and applied equitably in all cases. The aspect
you
are measuring must represent some important characteristic of all
the
groups. Height and girth are both meaningful concepts.
That said, if trees are broke down into three groups, single trunk,
multiple trunk, and other forms, the must be some way defined that
allows you to place a particular tree into one of these three
categories. That is what I have tried to do with the classification
of growth form post. A single trunked tree has a single pith at
ground level. A multiple trunked tree has multiple piths at ground
level emerging from a single root mass. The problem was how to
distinguish a multi-trunked tree from a coppice or grove of clonal
trees/ This question was posed in the original multitrunk
discussions. This is the question I tackled in the other categoris I
listed in the post. The result was 1) Single trunk, 2) Multitrunk,
3)
Clonal Coppice, 4) Clonal Groves, and 5) a series of odd or unusual
forms.
One suggestion I made was that in the case of smaller trees, say
less
than 12 feet tall, that a girth measurement should be taken at some
lower, but sandard point. This could be in addition to the girth at
4.5. I would suggest at a height of 1.5 feet (G1.5) for these
shorter
trees. I am thinking of the stunted forest atop places like Mount
Greylock, or the stunted oaks on teh side of Zoar Valley. If the
only
girth measurement is at 4.5 feet, many of these don't even have a
girth. Even if they do extend above 4.5 feet, if you measre a girth
of the fattest branch at 4.5 feet, you are only measuring the tip of
a
branch. Yes you can use the measurement to show that the tree is
small when compared t other trees, bt you already know that from the
height measurement. What does this measurement tell you? Almost
nothing - it is not meaningful wih regard to other full sized trees,
it does not tell you anything useful in comparing these samll trees.
A measurement at 1.5 feet would not help you comparing these to full
sized trees, but it would allow you to make meaningful comaprisons
between trees in this stunted grove and between these and trees in
other stunted groves. The point is that standardization is great,
but
only so ong as the standardized measurement is meaningful. If it is
not then some additinal measurements need to be taken. A secondary
standard is better than random measurements.
Please think about what I have said and the others have said in this
and other posts in this thread, and post your thoughts on the
subject.
Ed Frank
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 28 2007 11:24 pm
From: DON BERTOLETTE
Ed-
You've taken on a significant challenge, and made great headway!
Regarding measure of single-trunked trees, my thoughts follow:
It's a task that tradition has made simple, but has surprising
complexity. Trying to keep to the simple solution, your concern for
measuring those trees that aren't trees normally, but go beyond the
shrub status that the plant displays in its 'young-growth' habit has
brought you to suggest a 1.5 measuring height...I think, in the
belief of establishing a standard like 'dbh' has become.
It occurs to me that perhaps one of the reasons (outside of, 'well,
breast height is a convenient height to measure) that 'dbh' has
become the standard was how effective it was as a height for
measuring so many trees, above their butt swell.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 29 2007 12:30 am
From: dbhguru
Ed,
I think the categories you listed are logical. I can't improve on
them. Assuming others agree, the challenge for us is to identify
other standard measurements that capture something important about
species, especially those that don't conform to the regular rules.
In terms of current girth standard, we're stuck with the 4.5-foot
DBH convention and I'm okay with it. However, I like the proposed
1.5-foot standard for the dwarfs. That height makes sense to me. The
4.5-foot standard does not for trees in the 12 feet and under height
class.
There is another convention that we might want to rethink and that
is how one takes a girth measurement of a tree on sloping ground.
Will Blozan and Jess Riddle have an interesting, and I think useful,
way of determining where on the trunk to take the measurement.
However, I will defer to Will to explain it. I plan to adopt Will
and Jess's method when I get back out into the forest.
The Infamous
Bobby Leverett
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