TruPulse versus TruPulse  Bob Leverett
 Oct. 02, 2007 

http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees/browse_thread/thread/b2a5f36d7df242ad?hl=en 

ENTS,
 
     This afternoon, I did an experiment with the TruPulse 200. I measured the heights of 20 trees using the built in tangent-based height routine. I also measured the same trees using the VD returns to top and bottom - a sine-based procedure. The following table shows the results. HR means height routine in the table below. As you can see, the average absolute difference between the two processes is 8.2 feet. However, notice the standard deviation and the range. In the case of the white pine (WP), the tangent method is acceptable, but falls apart with the hadrwoods. This experiment is consistent with other tests I've done.
 
Bob  
 
TruPulse Built-in Height Routine Test    
         
Species HR VD Diff Abs diff
BO 83.2 71.8 -11.4 11.4
WP 95.5 93 -2.5 2.5
SO 70.4 64.5 -5.9 5.9
WP 103.3 103.5 0.2 0.2
SO 87.1 82.5 -4.6 4.6
WP 105.8 104.5 -1.3 1.3
BO 91.3 82 -9.3 9.3
BO 88.7 96 7.3 7.3
SO 84 86.5 2.5 2.5
NRO 95 82 -13 13
CW 101 97 -4 4
CW 105.4 98 -7.4 7.4
NRO 123 90.5 -32.5 32.5
NRO 103 95 -8 8
NRO 106 95 -11 11
NRO 79 89 10 10
TT 124.6 113 -11.6 11.6
WO 74 71.5 -2.5 2.5
WO 113.1 95 -18.1 18.1
TT 74.4 73.5 -0.9 0.9
         
         
Average     -6.2 8.2
STD     9.24 7.42
Maximum     10.00 32.50
Minimum     -32.50 0.20
Range     42.50 32.30
    


Bob:

These 100 foot white pines might come out OK with the tangent method, but I doubt that would be the case the 160 footers in Mohawk. Old white pines have amazingly large crowns and my guess is that the same problems for height measurement will occur as for the hardwoods.

Lee


Lee,
 
   Yes, I'm pretty sure you are right. I'm going to continue gathering data and making comparisons. The trends will emerge species by specie as short and tall find their places in the list. The following is an update that adds 8 more trees.
 
Bob
 
TruPulse Ht Routine Test    
         
Species HR VD Diff Abs diff
BB 79.9 73 6.9 6.9
BO 83.2 71.8 11.4 11.4
BO 91.3 82 9.3 9.3
BO 88.7 96 -7.3 7.3
CW 101 97 4 4
CW 105.4 98 7.4 7.4
CW 75.1 66.5 8.6 8.6
NRO 95 82 13 13
NRO 123 90.5 32.5 32.5
NRO 103 95 8 8
NRO 106 95 11 11
NRO 79 89 -10 10
NRO 110.5 84 26.5 26.5
SM 96 90 6 6
SO 70.4 64.5 5.9 5.9
SO 87.1 82.5 4.6 4.6
SO 84 86.5 -2.5 2.5
SO 92 83 9 9
TT 124.6 113 11.6 11.6
TT 74.4 73.5 0.9 0.9
WO 74 71.5 2.5 2.5
WO 113.1 95 18.1 18.1
WO 81 76 5 5
WO 85.5 89 -3.5 3.5
WP 95.5 93 2.5 2.5
WP 103.3 103.5 -0.2 0.2
WP 105.8 104.5 1.3 1.3
WP 86.5 86 0.5 0.5
         
         
Average     6.535714 8.214286
STD     8.97 7.40
Maximum     32.50 32.50
Minimum     -10.00 0.20
Range     42.50 32.30
 
 

ENTS:

     Here is the latest table of comparisons of the built-in height routine for the TruPulse 200 versus using the Vertical Distance (VD) returns for top and bottom added together. This test will grow to about 100 trees before it's completed. But the average absolute distance of between 8.0 and 8.6 feet is likely to hold unless I over-sample hardwoods or confers. If there is sufficient interest in the test being continued, I'll develop profiles by species. with other returns added as columns. I got lazy on the design of this test, but am willing to start over, putting in a column for distance to trunk, and separate angles and distances so more detailed anaylses can be performed. The key is to choose what appears to be the top and measure it via the built-in routine and then check the results by shooting to the same spots using the VD returns. The TruPulse is the ideal instrument to compare measurments taken via the two height techniques, i. e. the tangent method versus sine top-sine bottom.

      If some of you all are interested in this experiment, maybe you can give me some ideas of what you'd like to see. I can generate the data and you can assist in the analysis. Ed, you're a good idea person. Any thoughts?

Bob  

TruPulse Ht Routine Test    
         
Species HR VD Diff Abs diff
BB 79.9 73 6.9 6.9
BB 113.9 76.6 37.3 37.3
BO 83.2 71.8 11.4 11.4
BO 91.3 82 9.3 9.3
BO 88.7 96 -7.3 7.3
BO 87 87 0 0
BO 86.9 83 3.9 3.9
BO 63.7 69 -5.3 5.3
CW 101 97 4 4
CW 105.4 98 7.4 7.4
CW 75.1 66.5 8.6 8.6
NRO 95 82 13 13
NRO 123 90.5 32.5 32.5
NRO 103 95 8 8
NRO 106 95 11 11
NRO 79 89 -10 10
NRO 110.5 84 26.5 26.5
NRO 91.4 86 5.4 5.4
SM 96 90 6 6
SO 70.4 64.5 5.9 5.9
SO 87.1 82.5 4.6 4.6
SO 84 86.5 -2.5 2.5
SO 92 83 9 9
TT 124.6 113 11.6 11.6
TT 74.4 73.5 0.9 0.9
WO 74 71.5 2.5 2.5
WO 113.1 95 18.1 18.1
WO 81 76 5 5
WO 85.5 89 -3.5 3.5
WP 95.5 93 2.5 2.5
WP 103.3 103.5 -0.2 0.2
WP 105.8 104.5 1.3 1.3
WP 86.5 86 0.5 0.5
WP 77.2 68.5 8.7 8.7
         
Average     6.852941 8.547059
STD     10.02 8.57
Maximum     37.30 37.30
Minimum     -10.00 0.00
Range     47.30 37.30