Rucker
Height Index (RI)
One
of the primary goals of ENTS is to to document tall trees on these
sites using our accurate measurement methodologies. A stalwart
measure we try to compile for a site is a Rucker Index (RI). This is
the average height of the tallest individual of each of the ten
tallest species found on the site. Measurement of additional trees
allows us to look in greater detail at each of these sites.
The
Rucker Site index is essentially a foreshortened version of a
complete species/height profile of all the species found on a
particular site. The best overview on the Rucker Index, both
strengths and weaknesses is provided on the ENTS website at:
http://www.nativetreesociety.org/measure/rucker_site_index.htm
Colby Rucker wrote in 1993 : "...the
average height of the tallest examples of the ten tallest species
found at each site. This index, often called the
“Rucker index,” provides a numerical evaluation of both maximum
height and diversity of the dominant species. High index values are
the result of many factors, including climate, topography, soils,
and a lack of disturbance. While the most extensive sites benefit
from a greater variety of habitat and more individual trees, some
exceptional sites are quite small."
Another summary of the merits of the Rucker Index and
discussions can be found on these pages:
http://www.nativetreesociety.org/measure/rucker/trip_reports_rucker.htm
http://www.nativetreesociety.org/measure/rucker/rucker_index2.htm
Dale
Luthringer recently published a list of the top ten sites in
Pennsylvania based upon the ten species Rucker Index:
Top
10 Pennsylvania Rucker Index Sites
Site
Rucker Index
Cook
Forest State Park
137.15
Fairmont
Park
132.27
McConnells
Mill State Park 130.85
Clarion
River
129.72
Wintergreen
Gorge
127.53
Ricketts
Glen State Park
126.29
Walnut
Creek Gorge
123.66
Anders
Run Natural Area
121.59
Ohiopyle
State Park
120.36
Little
Elk Creek Gorge
119.45
There
are two variants of the Rucker Index that bear some consideration.
The first is a five species Rucker height Index (RI5).
This is particularly useful when there is a limited number of
tall species found on a site. Dr.
Robert
Van Pelt, author of "Forest Giants of the Pacific Coast"
writes in a post dated October 29, 2002, “The low diversity of
trees in some Western forests
quickly reduces the Index to below 200. Humboldt Redwoods SP, for
example, has the world's tallest tree, and 86 trees over 350'. Due
to the overwhelming dominance by redwood, the Index drops below 200
after only six species are included!”
It also is useful for comparing sites for which there has
only been a limited amount of measurement.
Obviously with more measurements, taller specimens of many of
the species reported may be found and certainly specimens of other
species are likely to be found that could raise the Rucker Index of
the site. But lacking
that information as an initial glimpse of the height of species at a
site can be represented by a five species Rucker Index (RI5). Below
is a recalculation of the top five standard ten species Rucker Index
sites in Pennsylvania as they would appear using a RI5:
RI5's
for Top 5 PA Sites
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Cook
Forest State Park
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Species
|
CBH
|
Height
|
RI5
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E.
white pine
|
11.1
|
183.6
|
147.2
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E.
hemlock
|
12
|
145.4
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tuliptree
|
7.4
|
141.4
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black
cherry
|
11.4
|
137.3
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white
ash
|
7.6
|
128.3
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Fairmont
Park
|
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Species
|
CBH
|
Height
|
RI5
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tuliptree
|
10.9
|
158.6
|
140.54
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sycamore
|
11.4
|
139
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white
ash
|
7.3
|
135.7
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N.
red oak
|
9.7
|
135.2
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bitternut
hickory
|
6.7
|
134.2
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McConnells
Mill State Park
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Species
|
CBH
|
Height
|
RI5
|
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tuliptree
|
10.8
|
146.8
|
137.26
|
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white
ash
|
6.6
|
137.7
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sycamore
|
9
|
137.5
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bitternut
hickory
|
5.8
|
132.7
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|
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cucumbertree
|
10.2
|
131.6
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Clarion
River
|
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|
Species
|
CBH
|
Height
|
RI5
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E.
white pine
|
9.5
|
149.7
|
136.5
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tuliptree
|
7.4
|
141.4
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black
cherry
|
10.2
|
136.4
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white
ash
|
7.6
|
128.3
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N.
red oak
|
10.1
|
126.7
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Wintergreen
Gorge
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|
Species
|
CBH
|
Height
|
RI5
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tuliptree
|
9.8
|
147.4
|
132.2
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white
ash
|
9.9
|
129.8
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sycamore
|
7.7
|
129.7
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E.
hemlock
|
7.8
|
128
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sugar
maple
|
5.9
|
126.1+
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The
third Rucker Index worth considering is one in which the maximum
heights of the twenty tallest species are averaged.
This RI20 can only be calculated for sites that have been
extensively measured, and therefore a comparison can be made among
only a few sites. But
if the Rucker Index is designed t be a foreshortened version of the
complete species/height profile, then the more species included in
the index the more representative it will be of the site as a whole.
A major goal of describing a site that should be included,
but is often left wanting, is a listing of all the woody species
present, and a height measurement of as many of those species as
possible. In
Pennsylvania there are only a handful of sites for which a valid
RI20 can be calculated:
RI20's
for PA Sites |
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Cook
Forest State Park |
Species |
CBH |
Height |
RI20 |
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RI20 |
RI10 |
RI5 |
|
E.
white pine |
11.1 |
183.6 |
125.73 |
|
183.6 |
183.6 |
183.6 |
|
E.
hemlock |
12 |
145.5 |
|
145.5 |
145.5 |
145.5 |
|
tuliptree |
7.4 |
141.4 |
|
141.4 |
141.4 |
141.4 |
|
black
cherry |
11.4 |
137.3 |
|
137.3 |
137.3 |
137.3 |
|
white
ash |
7.6 |
128.3 |
|
128.3 |
128.3 |
128.3 |
|
Am.
Beech |
7.5 |
127.5 |
|
127.5 |
127.5 |
147.22 |
|
white
oak |
10.7 |
127.3 |
|
127.3 |
127.3 |
|
red
maple |
9.1 |
127.3 |
|
127.3 |
127.3 |
|
pignut
hickory |
5 |
126.7 |
|
126.7 |
126.7 |
|
cucumbertree |
5.1 |
126.7 |
|
126.7 |
126.7 |
|
red
oak |
11 |
126.5 |
|
126.5 |
137.16 |
|
scarlet
oak |
8.2 |
120 |
|
120 |
|
black
oak |
5.2 |
118.8 |
|
118.8 |
|
sugar
maple |
10.4 |
116.6 |
|
116.6 |
|
Am.
Basswood |
6.9 |
113 |
|
113 |
|
chestnut
oak |
5.4 |
111.1+ |
|
111.1 |
|
big
tooth aspen |
4.3 |
110.8 |
|
110.8 |
|
black
birch |
5.6 |
110.7 |
|
110.7 |
|
shagbark
hickory |
7 |
109.2 |
|
109.2 |
|
sycamore |
20.6(2x) |
106.3 |
|
106.3 |
|
yellow
birch |
5.4 |
104.9 |
|
125.73 |
|
|
|
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Clarion
River |
Species |
CBH |
Height |
RI20 |
|
|
|
|
E.
white pine |
9.5 |
149.7 |
116.92 |
|
black
cherry |
10.2 |
136.4 |
|
white
ash |
7.6 |
128.3 |
|
pignut
hickory |
5 |
126.7 |
|
N.
red oak |
10.1 |
126.7 |
|
E.
hemlock |
9.2 |
126.7 |
|
cucumbertree |
7.2 |
122.6 |
|
Am.
Beech |
9.3 |
120.6 |
|
sycamore |
N/A |
118.1 |
|
shagbark
hickory |
4.5 |
113.6 |
|
Am.
Basswood |
6.9 |
113 |
|
white
oak |
6.4 |
110.8 |
|
big
tooth aspen |
4.3 |
110.8 |
|
black
birch |
5.4 |
110.7 |
|
sugar
maple |
6.4 |
110.4 |
|
red
maple |
8.2 |
106.4 |
|
bitternut
hickory |
4.3 |
106.2 |
|
black
locust |
6.3 |
104.6 |
|
yellow
birch |
6.6 |
99.2 |
|
chestnut
oak |
4.9 |
96.9 |
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Wintergreen
Gorge |
Species |
CBH |
Height |
RI20 |
|
|
|
|
tuliptree |
9.8 |
147.4 |
114.86 |
|
white
ash |
9.9 |
129.8 |
|
sycamore |
7.7 |
129.7 |
|
E.
hemlock |
7.8 |
128 |
|
sugar
maple |
5.7 |
126.1 |
|
cucumbertree |
8.6 |
125.6 |
|
slippery
elm |
8.8 |
123.7 |
|
red
maple |
6.1 |
122 |
|
Am.
Basswood |
9 |
121.7 |
|
black
cherry |
8.8 |
121.3 |
|
Am.
Beech |
5.8 |
119.5 |
|
bitternut
hickory |
5.1 |
116.6 |
|
N.
red oak |
8.2 |
115.3 |
|
black
walnut |
5 |
111.9 |
|
black
locust |
5.2 |
109.8 |
|
cottonwood |
3.5 |
108.4 |
|
sassafras |
4.3 |
100.5 |
|
yellow
birch |
N/A |
81.3 |
|
E.
white pine |
6.5 |
81.1 |
|
shagbark
hickory |
2.4 |
77.4 |
|
|
|
|
Walnut
Creek |
Species |
CBH |
Height |
RI20 |
|
|
|
|
sycamore |
15.3 |
133.8 |
114.83 |
|
tuliptree |
9.9 |
132.9 |
|
black
walnut |
5.5 |
126 |
|
slippery
elm |
6.8 |
124.6 |
|
white
ash |
8.2 |
124.2 |
|
sugar
maple |
9.3 |
122.9 |
|
Am.
Beech |
15.9 |
120.1 |
|
N.
red oak |
12.7 |
118 |
|
black
locust |
7.6 |
116.5 |
|
bitternut
hickory |
6.4 |
115 |
|
shagbark
hickory |
6.3 |
112.8 |
|
E.
hemlock |
N/A |
112.3 |
|
cottonwood |
4.7 |
111.2 |
|
Am.
Basswood |
6.6 |
111.1 |
|
cucumbertree |
9.7 |
110.2 |
|
black
cherry |
8.2 |
106.6 |
|
E.
white pine |
4.9 |
103 |
|
big
tooth aspen |
10.8 |
101.5 |
|
red
maple |
8.8(2x) |
98.7 |
|
sassafras |
N/A |
95.2 |
|
|
|
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Anders
Run Natural Area |
Species |
CBH |
Height |
RI20 |
|
|
|
|
E.
white pine |
11.3 |
159.6 |
111.43 |
|
E.
hemlock |
7.5 |
125.4 |
|
black
cherry |
6.6 |
121.8 |
|
Am.
Basswood |
8.1 |
120.7 |
|
white
ash |
11.5 |
118.4 |
|
silver
maple |
8.7 |
116.1 |
|
cucumbertree |
3.9 |
115.8 |
|
red
maple |
5.8 |
114.5 |
|
white
oak |
9.3 |
111.1 |
|
shagbark
hickory |
5.3 |
111 |
|
swamp
white oak |
10.9 |
111 |
|
N.
red oak |
7.8 |
108.5 |
|
sycamore |
12.9 |
107.8 |
|
slippery
elm |
4 |
105.6 |
|
black
oak |
5.1 |
102 |
|
Am.
Beech |
4.3 |
100.4 |
|
black
birch |
5.9 |
99.1 |
|
black
gum |
5.5 |
97.7 |
|
bitternut
hickory |
3.7 |
93.1 |
|
yellow
birch |
3.4 |
88.9 |
|
|
|
|
Ohiopyle
State Park |
Species |
CBH |
Height |
RI20 |
|
|
|
|
tuliptree |
6.8 |
136.6 |
105.45 |
|
E.
white pine |
N/A |
132.8 |
|
white
ash |
13.7 |
131.1 |
|
black
cherry |
7.3 |
125.4 |
|
E.
hemlock |
9.4 |
124.4 |
|
cucumbertree |
8.1 |
113.4 |
|
white
oak |
5.9 |
112.2 |
|
N.
red oak |
4.7 |
111.1 |
|
scarlet
oak |
7.9 |
108.5 |
|
Am.
Basswood |
5.2 |
108.1 |
|
shagbark
hickory |
4.3 |
107.3 |
|
chestnut
oak |
8.6 |
105.5 |
|
bitternut
hickory |
4.9 |
105.1 |
|
red
maple |
5.7 |
105.1 |
|
Am.
Beech |
N/A |
103.7 |
|
black
locust |
6.3 |
101.5 |
|
sycamore |
5.2 |
99.1 |
|
black
oak |
10 |
90 |
|
E.
hophornbeam |
2.5 |
47.5 |
|
striped
maple |
1.8 |
40.8 |
|
|
|
|
Erie
Bluffs State Park (Coho property) |
Species |
CBH |
Height |
RI20 |
|
|
|
|
tuliptree |
8.4 |
140.3 |
105.3 |
|
cottonwood |
8.5 |
126.1 |
|
N.
red oak |
8 |
120.5 |
|
white
ash |
7.4 |
120.5 |
|
sugar
maple |
9.3 |
117.1 |
|
E.
hemlock |
N/A |
111.3 |
|
Am.
Beech |
6.3 |
111 |
|
black
cherry |
7.6 |
105.1 |
|
butternut |
5.8 |
104.6 |
|
pignut
hickory |
5 |
103.4 |
|
red
maple |
12 |
102.7 |
|
sycamore |
N/A |
101.1 |
|
sassafras |
5.1 |
98.4 |
|
big
tooth aspen |
3.8 |
97.9 |
|
cucumbertree |
9.5 |
97.2 |
|
black
walnut |
7.2 |
96.4 |
|
bitternut
hickory |
5.7 |
93.1 |
|
yellow
birch |
5.5 |
92.6 |
|
black
oak |
7.7 |
91.2 |
|
black
willow |
7.9 |
75.4 |
|
|
|
|
Allegheny
River |
Species |
CBH |
Height |
RI20 |
RI10 |
RI05 |
|
|
|
|
sycamore |
12.1 |
147.7 |
147.7 |
147.7 |
147.7 |
e.
white pine |
8.6 |
124.7 |
124.7 |
124.7 |
124.7 |
silver
maple |
9.7 |
120.1 |
120.1 |
120.1 |
120.1 |
white
ash |
|
118.4 |
118.4 |
118.4 |
118.4 |
northern
red oak |
9.2 |
116.4 |
116.4 |
116.4 |
116.4 |
cucumbertree |
3.9 |
116.3 |
116.3 |
116.3 |
125.46 |
black
oak |
7.1 |
115.5 |
115.5 |
115.5 |
|
bitternut
hickory |
7.3 |
111.6 |
111.6 |
111.6 |
|
swamp
white oak |
|
111 |
111 |
111 |
|
black
walnut |
7.7 |
110.3 |
110.3 |
110.3 |
|
sugar
maple |
8.7 |
108.1 |
108.1 |
119.2 |
|
shagbark
hickory |
5.7 |
107.1 |
107.1 |
|
Am.
Basswood |
9.8 |
105.1 |
105.1 |
|
e.
hemlock |
7.8 |
104.4 |
104.4 |
|
|
black
cherry |
6.7 |
101 |
101 |
|
|
common
hackberry |
6.4 |
99.1 |
99.1 |
|
|
red
maple |
6.7 |
99.1 |
99.1 |
|
|
slippery
elm |
|
95.9 |
95.9 |
|
|
Am.
beech |
6.3 |
96.8 |
96.8 |
|
|
black
birch |
6.4 |
96.1 |
96.1 |
|
|
pignut
hickory |
7.2 |
94.5 |
110.24 |
|
|
scarlet
oak |
7.4 |
93.2 |
|
black
locust |
7.2 |
90.1 |
|
black
cherry |
4.3 |
88.9 |
|
black
willow |
9.9 |
84.5 |
|
white
oak |
13.5 |
84.2 |
|
yellow
birch |
2.7 |
76 |
|
butternut |
3 |
71.3 |
|
sassafras |
4.8 |
66.1 |
|
N.
catalpa |
5.9 |
61.7 |
|
dotted
hawthorne |
4.9 |
42.5 |
|
Am.
Hornbeam |
1.2 |
35.7 |
Allegheny
River Islands without Hemlock Island |
Species |
CBH |
Height |
RI20 |
|
|
|
|
sycamore |
12.1 |
147.7 |
93.075 |
silver maple |
9.7 |
120.1 |
|
white ash |
9.1 |
111.1 |
|
bitternut
hickory |
7.7 |
110.8 |
|
black walnut |
7.7 |
110.3 |
|
sugar maple |
8.7 |
108.1 |
|
Am. Basswood |
9.8 |
105.1 |
|
N. red oak |
13.5 |
102 |
|
common
hackberry |
6.4 |
99.1 |
|
red maple |
6.7 |
99.1 |
|
slippery elm |
6.4 |
94.7 |
|
pignut
hickory |
7.2 |
94.5 |
|
black locust |
7.2 |
90.1 |
|
black cherry |
4.3 |
88.9 |
|
black willow |
9.9 |
84.5 |
|
white oak |
13.5 |
84.2 |
|
butternut |
~3 |
71.3 |
|
N. catalpa |
5.9 |
61.7 |
|
dotted
hawthorne |
4.9 |
42.5 |
|
Am. Hornbeam |
1.2 |
35.7 |
|
Summary
Table
Site
RI10
RI5
RI20
Cook
Forest State Park
137.15
147.2
118.26
Fairmont
Park
132.27
140.54
McConnells
Mill State Park
130.85
137.26
116.92
Clarion
River
129.72
136.5
Wintergreen
Gorge
127.53
132.2
114.86
Ricketts
Glen State Park
126.29
Walnut
Creek Gorge
123.66
128.3
114.83
Anders
Run Natural Area
121.59
129.18
111.43
Ohiopyle
State Park
120.36
130.06
105.45
Little
Elk Creek Gorge
119.45
Allegheny
River Islands
(119.2)
125.46
110.24
Erie
Bluffs State Park
(116.3)
125.48
105.44
ARI
– without Hemlock I.
(111.34)
120
93.08
It
would be a major step forward for the ENTS organization to try and
compile RI20 Indexes for all of our sites that have extensive
measurement, and to try to obtain RI20 Indexes for new sites and
sites that currently just fall short of that number.
General
Comments
There
are several things that can be seen from this initial data set.
Overall the trends of what sites have the highest Rucker
Index is very similar for RI10, RI5, and RI20 calculations.
The
exceptions are those sites with only a limited number of species.
At these sites the RI quickly falls off to include very small
trees, if there are enough species present at all to do a RI20.
Some examples in the temperate east might include smaller
sites on areas frequently flooded.
The species present on these sites are limited to flood
tolerant species. In
the Allegheny River Islands there were only a handful of tall
species present on the flooded islands.
These included sycamore, silver maple, basswood, black
locust, and pignut hickory. Other
species present occurred on areas flooded less often include species
such as red oak and black walnut.
The values presented for the RI’s for the Allegheny River
Islands also include those species from Hemlock Island, a portion of
which is high and dry except perhaps for a several hundred year
flood event. These
included white pine and hemlock.
Above is listed the Rucker Indexes for the Allegheny River
Islands both with and without Hemlock Island:
Allegheny
River Islands
125.46
(119.2)
110.24
ARI
– without Hemlock I.
120
(111.34)
93.08
As
can be seen from the numbers the Rucker Index drops much faster when
considering only those islands which flood more frequently and which
have a more limited species diversity.
The recent exploration of the Millstone Creek area along the
Clarion River resulted in only 14 native species measured, with
another 4 species noted including choke cherry and staghorn sumac.
These two species are not very tall. So it is unlikely,
unless the survey area was increased significantly and perhaps
beyond the immediate flood plain, it will be difficult to even
locate 20 native tree species within the area, let alone 20 species
with a good height.
Overall
I feel the compilation of twenty species Rucker Indexes for sites
where we have enough measurement data is a worthwhile project.
It provides a look at the sites in greater detail, and will
encourage the measurement of species beyond the tallest ten.
If there is use for the data for trees of the eleventh to
twentieth tallest species on the site, more of that data will be
collected. The more
data collected. The better understanding there is of the forest it
represents. Five
species Rucker Indexes should be calculated for existing sites.
I have been working toward that slowly as I go back and
compile Rucker Indexes from various sites, but it is a slow process.
It would be much more efficient if they were calculated when
the sites are described. There
are limitations for the five species Rucker Index in that it
represents only a small portion of the species present, but it does
allow us to roughly compare sites with only limited measurement data
with those with more measurement data.
It also may be appropriate for characterizing sites with only
a very limited number of tall species.
Edward
Frank and Dale Luthringer
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TOPIC: Rucker Index Thoughts
http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees/browse_thread/thread/2ab23939bb66f780?hl=en
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== 1 of 17 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 5:59 am
From: dbhguru@comcast.net
Ed and Don,
I present MTSF's RI20 below. DUDES, IT RULES! I'm psyched.
Bob
Rucker
Height Index Report
Mohawk
Trail State Forest |
|
|
|
|
|
Height |
Species |
Location |
Girth |
169.4 |
WP |
MA-Charlemont-MTSF-Trees of Peace |
10.5 |
151.5 |
WA |
MA-Charlemont-MTSF-Trout Brook |
6.2 |
134.4 |
SM |
MA-Charlemont-MTSF-Trout Brook |
5 |
133.5 |
NRO |
MA-Charlemont-MTSF-Todd Mtn |
9.3 |
131.8 |
BNH |
MA-Savoy-MTSF-Clark Ridge-Indian Flats |
4.3 |
130.5 |
AB |
MA-Charlemont-MTSF-Clark Ridge-North |
8.4 |
130.3 |
HM |
MA-Savoy-MTSF-Black Brook |
11.1 |
128 |
RM |
MA-Charlemont-MTSF-Clark Ridge-Elders |
6.6 |
126.9 |
ABW |
MA-Charlemont-MTSF-Clark Ridge-North |
5.5 |
126 |
BTA |
MA-Charlemont-MTSF-Clark Ridge-Shunpike Area |
3.5 |
125.3 |
BC |
MA-Charlemont-MTSF-Trout Brook |
5.5 |
120.8 |
AE |
MA-Charlemont-MTSF-Clark Ridge-Shunpike Area |
6.6 |
117.2 |
RP |
MA-Charlemont-MTSF-Todd Mtn |
5.3 |
116.2 |
BB |
MA-Charlemont-MTSF-Clark Ridge-North |
3.6 |
114.7 |
RS |
MA-Savoy-MTSF-Cold River East |
7.3 |
111.8 |
SBH |
MA-Charlemont-MTSF-Encampment Pines |
3.9 |
110.5 |
WB |
MA-Charlemont-MTSF-Clark Ridge-North |
5.2 |
110.5 |
BO |
MA-Savoy-MTSF-Clark Ridge-Ash Flats |
4.8 |
105.6 |
YB |
MA-Charlemont-MTSF-Clark Ridge-Shunpike Area |
4.8 |
101.8 |
WO |
MA-Charlemont-MTSF-Encampment Pines |
8.2 |
124.8 |
Rucker Index |
|
797.6 |
== 4 of 17 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 9:27 am
From: "Will Blozan"
Ed,
Great thoughts. I support the reasoning for the R5 and R20 indices.
If only
there was some way to incorporate the area needed to obtain a
certain Rucker
Value. An R5 acre, R10 acre, R20 acre index?
Smokies R5 is 176.5
Smokies R20 is 156.6 (Jess, correct if I am missing something)
Species
|
Height
|
Pinstr
|
188.8
|
Liritul
|
181.9
|
Tsugcan
|
173.1
|
Robipsu
|
171.8
|
Fraxame
|
167.1
|
Platocc
|
162.2
|
Carygla
|
159.7
|
Aescfla
|
157.3
|
Carycor
|
156.3
|
Picerub
|
155.3
|
Magnacc
|
151.9
|
Querrub
|
151.4
|
Tilihet
|
150.4
|
Queralb
|
147.1
|
Juglnig
|
144.3
|
Acersac
|
144.2
|
Fagugra
|
142.6
|
Acerrub
|
142.4
|
Quermon
|
142.3
|
Liqusty
|
142.3
|
R20=
|
156.62
|
Will F. Blozan
President, Eastern Native Tree Society
President, Appalachian Arborists, Inc.
== 6 of 17 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 10:49 am
From: dbhguru@comcast.net
Will, Ed
The Great Smokies are off the charts - simply off the charts. There is no other forest in eastern North America that can touch that range of mountains for tall trees: not other mountain sites in North Carolina, not even the high index mountain forests of South Carolina that Jess has explored, not Savage Gulf or Fall Creek Falls in Tennessee, and not Congaree NP in South Carolina, unless our upcoming February trip uncovers high canopy forests with new record holders that have thus far not been discovered. To make such a discovery would be just as exciting a proposition as finding ever taller trees in the Smokies. I look forward to Congaree in February. I'm just praying for a low mosquito population at that time of year. God, I hate those little blooksuckers!
Bob
== 7 of 17 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 11:04 am
From: "Edward Forrest Frank"
Will,
I have thought and thought about the acreage issue. That is one
reason I encouraged you and Jess to look at subdivisions of GSMNP to
reduce the size of the block that is considered a site. Thus you can
have RI for subsites more comparable in size with other locations
and still have a combined RI for the entire park. Even within a
defined site, you would need to know where all the trees were
located because if the site was looked at in terms of acreage, you
would want to define the least amount of acreage that would include
the greatest Rucker Index - sort of a balance. Then there is the
question of shape. In an ideal forest the area could be defined by a
circle as a minimum edge, maximum area shape, but in practice, the
boundaries we consider are irregular. They may follow a narrow
valley, or a drainage basin, or a square patch of remnant forest. If
people have ideas of how to do it, it certainly is worth talking
about. As it is, I would suggest that the "site" be
defined as a discrete area whose boundaries are established by the
person or group involved in the measurement (The boundaries should
be described as best possible). This would include both productive
and less productive areas. More productive areas could be defined as
a subsite, or a separate site. Then along with the Rucker Index an
acreage for the "site" could be listed to provide a good
context for the size of the area versus the rucker index numbers. It
is information that can added and is useful, but on the other hand
some of the best locations may have a high Rucker Index in a
relatively small area - I am not really convinced that a Rucker
Index per size of an area would be informative.
Ed
== 9 of 17 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 11:17 am
From: "Will Blozan"
Bob,
To significantly raise the Rucker of the Smokies or Congaree will be
a
monumental and likely impossible effort. Like Mohawk, the sites have
been
sampled many, many times and the maximum index has been largely
identified.
I need to calculate the R20 for Congaree.
Will F. Blozan
President, Eastern Native Tree Society
President, Appalachian Arborists, Inc.
== 11 of 17 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 11:47 am
From: "Edward Forrest Frank"
ENTS,
I might suggest that the best way to keep up with the Rucker Indexes
for all of the sites would first to have a listing of all the trees
from the site, ordered however you want. Then a second listing for
the site would include only the tallest tree of each species, and
every species measured at the site should be included, and have this
list sorted tallest to shortest. Whenever a new taller specimen is
found for a species, the old would be deleted from this tall list
and the the new one inserted at the proper place in the hierarchy.
Calculating a Rucker Index would then just consist of copying the
contents of the top 5, 10, or 20 cells to an adjacent column,
summing those, and dividing by the number of cells. That is what I
did with Dales RI20 listings and our composite listings for the
Allegheny River Islands. It worked very well.
Ed
== 12 of 17 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 11:48 am
From: dbhguru@comcast.net
Will,
I read you clearly and understand. I do realize just how much time
has been spent in both locations. Just want to keep the mental door
open to the possibility of a new discovery. I'm also hyping up the
upcoming excursion. Being bitten by swarms of poor, half-starved
mosquitos is good. Gotta think positive. I'm also thinking about
that big black rat snake (I think) I almost put my hand on crawling
up that big cherrybark oak as we waded hip-deep along what was
supposed to be a trail.
Bob
== 14 of 17 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 12:12 pm
From: dbhguru@comcast.net
Ed,
You're doing a great job as usual. I appreciate your bringing the
topic of Rucker Indices back to life and digging out the
Pennsylvania numbers. I'm anxious to get back to Mohawk and continue
the update of that extraordinary site. What follows is a side by
side comparison of the best site in New England (Mohawk, of course)
compared to the best site in the Northeast (Cook, of course),
compared to the best site in the East (the Smokies, of course). I've
been a little lazy by just taking the lists from you and Will as
presented along with Mohawk without switching to a common format. We
know that the spread from New England to the Smokies would drop some
by taking an area in the Smokies comparable to Mohawk or Cook
instead of all the NP. I'm guessing that the spread from south to
north is between 25 and 30 feet at the very most for comparablly-sized
areas. Will and I have seen a consistent spread of 20 to 30 feet for
most tree species. However, a few species like black birch seem
to maintain an almost constant maximum height from south to north.
Interesting.
BTW, I list Jake's height at 169.1 feet, although my best
determination favors 168.6. I could have gone as high as 169.6. It
remains to be determined what Jake's precise height is. Weather
permitting, we'll know on November 1st.
Bob
Mohawk
Trail State Forest, MA |
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Cook
Forest State Park, PA |
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GSMNP,NC-TN |
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|
Species |
Hgt |
Cir |
RI |
|
Species |
Hgt |
Cir |
RI |
|
Species |
Height |
RI |
E.
white pine |
169.10 |
10.50 |
|
|
E.
white pine |
183.6 |
11.1 |
|
|
Pinstr |
188.8 |
|
white
ash |
151.50 |
6.20 |
|
|
E.
hemlock |
145.5 |
12.0 |
|
|
Liritul |
181.9 |
|
sugar
maple |
134.40 |
5.00 |
|
|
tuliptree |
141.4 |
7.4 |
|
|
Tsugcan |
173.1 |
|
N.
red oak |
133.50 |
9.30 |
|
|
black
cherry |
137.3 |
11.4 |
|
|
Robipsu |
171.8 |
|
bitternut
hickory |
131.80 |
4.30 |
144.06 |
|
white
ash |
128.3 |
7.6 |
147.22 |
|
Fraxame |
167.1 |
176.54 |
American
beech |
130.50 |
8.40 |
|
|
Am.
Beech |
127.5 |
7.5 |
|
|
Platocc |
162.2 |
|
E.
hemlock |
130.30 |
11.10 |
|
|
white
oak |
127.3 |
10.7 |
|
|
Carygla |
159.7 |
|
red
maple |
128.00 |
6.60 |
|
|
red
maple |
127.3 |
9.1 |
|
|
Aescfla |
157.3 |
|
American
basswood |
126.90 |
5.50 |
|
|
pignut
hickory |
126.7 |
5.0 |
|
|
Carycor |
156.3 |
|
bigtooth
aspen |
126.00 |
3.50 |
136.20 |
|
cucumbertree |
126.7 |
5.1 |
137.16 |
|
Picerub |
155.3 |
167.35 |
black
cherry |
125.30 |
5.50 |
|
|
N.
red oak |
126.5 |
|
|
|
Magnacc |
151.9 |
|
American
elm |
120.80 |
6.60 |
|
|
scarlet
oak |
120.0 |
8.2 |
|
|
Querrub |
151.4 |
|
Red
pine |
117.20 |
5.30 |
|
|
black
oak |
118.8 |
5.2 |
|
|
Tilihet |
150.4 |
|
black
birch |
116.20 |
3.60 |
|
|
sugar
maple |
116.6 |
10.4 |
|
|
Queralb |
147.1 |
|
red
spruce |
114.70 |
7.30 |
130.41 |
|
Am.
Basswood |
113.0 |
6.9 |
131.10 |
|
Juglnig |
144.3 |
161.24 |
shagbark
hickory |
111.80 |
3.90 |
|
|
chestnut
oak |
111.1 |
5.4 |
|
|
Acersac |
144.2 |
|
white
birch |
110.50 |
5.20 |
|
|
big
tooth aspen |
110.8 |
4.3 |
|
|
Fagugra |
142.6 |
|
black
oak |
110.50 |
4.80 |
|
|
black
birch |
110.7 |
5.6 |
|
|
Acerrub |
142.4 |
|
yellow
birch |
105.60 |
4.80 |
|
|
shagbark
hickory |
109.2 |
7.0 |
|
|
Quermon |
142.3 |
|
white
oak |
101.80 |
8.20 |
124.82 |
|
sycamore |
106.3 |
20.6(2x) |
125.73 |
|
Liqusty |
142.3 |
156.62 |
== 16 of 17 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 12:44 pm
From: "Edward Forrest Frank"
ENTS,
A listing of this sort also has other advantages. It is what Colby
described as a complete species profile for the site. It allows easy
calculations of various Rucker Indexes. But also by having this
list, you can look at it and it will jump out at you that "Oh,
I saw a taller Sassafras just the other day than the one listed
here." You can see at a glance if there are taller trees you
just haven't measured. Most people really into it know how tall the
tallest species are, but the heights of the shorter species may not
be as completely at the tip of your tongue. A listing of all the
species measured tells you at a glance what species you haven't
measured. This is often just an oversight, or they have not been
measured because they are not that tall, but a listing such as this
begs for missing data and measurements to be taken.
Ed
== 17 of 17 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 1:19 pm
From: dbhguru@comcast.net
Ed,
I couple more thoughts to add to what you've said, and said well.
Sometimes it is good to go into a forest with blinders on to all but
one or two species as opposed to wandering about trying to stay
sensitive to all species. When I activate my stripped maple filter,
the large, bright green leaves stand out in the understory and I can
quickly and easily home in on stripped maples that are above 50 feet
in height. So far in MTSF, I've measured three striped maples over
60 feet and have this beautiful understory species pretty well
mapped out. I'll soon turn my attention onto witch hazel. I'll have
to install another mental filter to be active from 20 to about 35
feet maximum - I think.
I completely agree that documenting the growth maximums for all
species, short and tall can provide us with a much better
understanding of the growth potential of an area. Some of the
shorter species may be far more useful than personally have
heretofore understood. The ones growing in southern New England
forests are usually shortlived. Consequently, we can see many more
of them through their entire life cycles and therefore have a better
opportunity to catch more at their peak heights. That's far less
likely for species that live for three or more centuries and are
economiclaly valuable at 60 years of age.
Bob
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 1:37 pm
From: "Edward Forrest Frank"
Bob.
I guess I don't look at the trees with my focus on one or two
species, but am interested in finding as many as possible. I really
don't understand the process of focusing on a few species. I know
that in one example of hawthorns, other people were not even seeing
the species at all in spite of the fact that in front of them were
40 foot high specimens representing the tallest in the state, and
including a national AF Champion. I just don't get the blinders or
filters- I see all of them - the tall pines, the striped maples,
etc. I don't think I miss a good example of a particular tree
species because I am not focused on that species alone. You have in
the past suggested that early on the more commercial species are the
ones you noticed first when exploring forest, then you broadened
your perspective to see others. I hope I am not misrepresenting what
you implied. Perhaps focusing on a particular limited number of
species is part of your process. I don't know - I find the smaller
species as interesting as the tallest, but I will admit I am
impressed by really tall trees and really fat trees. I am interested
in the interactions between the trees and other forest components, I
am interested in the processes of the forest. Tall trees are just
one thing to look at in the forest, and I tend to look at the forest
broadly rather than focusing on a few species. However whatever
works the best for you is what you should do.
Ed
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 26 2008 2:41 pm
From: dbhguru@comcast.net
Ed,
I'm speaking about on any single outing. Over time, the focus is on
all the species growing at a sight. There are times when I'm
multi-species focused - in fact most of the time. I'm merely
presenting an alternatie way to homing in on a species say that has
been under-sampled. The technique might not work for everyone.
Bob
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TOPIC: Rucker Index Thoughts (area)
http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees/browse_thread/thread/8e9cfae0710071bc?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 27 2008 9:10 am
From: "Jess Riddle"
Ed, Will, all;
The first solution that comes to mind for the area dependency of the
Rucker Index is to produce Rucker Index-Area curves. I'm borrowing
this idea from the ecology literature where a analogous problem
occurs
with species richness, the total number of species. Species richness
for a site is dependent on the size of the site, and the number of
species found, even for a small site, is dependent on the sampling
effort, especially where species are often cryptic such as with
fungi.
To address those problems, plots are constructed with species
richness on the y-axis and either area or sampling effort, which
could
be number of days sampled, time spent sampling, or number of
samples,
on the x-axis. A curve is then fit to the data, so the species
richness for different sized sites or different sampling intensities
can be interpolated or extrapolated. The curve usually takes a
logarithmic form, increasing rapidly at first but then appearing to
approach an asymptote.
We could apply that same strategy to Rucker Indices by first
calculating the Rucker Index for the core of the site, then
expanding
the area until new trees enter the Rucker Index and recalculating,
and
repeating that process until the entire site was included. The
results would be plotted with RI on the y-axis and area on the
x-axis
a curve fit to that data. When comparing sites, we could then
interpolate the RI of the large site at the area of the smaller
site,
or give an estimated RI for all sites at some standard area.
Jess
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 27 2008 9:38 am
From: "Edward Forrest Frank"
Jess,
This is an interesting idea that could work. For irregularly shaped
sites, those bounded by topography or man-made boundaries, the area
could be filled progressively from the center outward until the
boundaries in any direction is met and area additions stopped there,
while the rest of the site would continue to be incrementally
filled. You said that the curve tended to be logarithmic in shape -
the areas plotted on the x-axis would then be a linear progression.
I am wondering about whether this is applied to areas of vastly
different sizes in your literature research? I am thinking that some
small pockets of trees may be 2 or more orders of magnitude smaller
than the largest sites - say a 10 acre site vs. the Smokies or a
drainage basin. If you look at area, it increases with exponentially
with distance (radius) from the center. Perhaps we could look at
making the x-axis, the area axis, be a logarithmic scale instead of
linear. This would make true logarithmic progressions plot as
straight lines rather than curves, and would allow a lot to show
more detail at smaller areas, and allow the plot to progress through
multiple orders of magnitude. I am just thinking out loud. I am sure
you have a better grasp of the math and certainly the ecology
literature than I do.
Ed
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 11 2008 1:19 pm
From: "Edward Frank"
Bob,
Congratulations on finding another tall pine over 140. I have been
thinking about how to deal with Rucker Indexes along the lines Jess
suggested - i.e. plotting a rucker height index on a graph versus
increasing area. I am wondering if it would be appropriate when
comparing rucker indexes of sites within a larger area such as the
Connecticut River Valley with the area of the valley itself or
whether it would be better to just compare the individual sites to
the composite area of the patches included in the overall rucker
index? What I am saying is that much of the area of the valley
contribute nothing to the rucker index as it has been cut over and
farmed again and again, so should these non-contributing areas be
included in the rucker index area of valley as a whole? Since the
measurements are made from a patch of sites here and there, should
not the area for the valley just consider the area of those patches.
I have been talking to Dale about compiling a species profile for
the Clarion River corridor (defining it to basically just include
the flood plains and flats, rather than the entire drainage basin).
If all of the species were listed in a single table along with the
heights of the tallest ( or fattest) examples of those species, then
you could more easily see what gaps there were in the information,
what trees were missing, or represented by undersized specimens,
etc. I should have did this before my river trip Thursday with Carl,
and I know I would have grabbed some measurements of trees, which
were unspectacular in terms of Cook Forest, but would have
contributed to the Clarion River corridor. This is something that
should be considered for other broader reaches which are initially a
composite of pieces of other sites. The main problem with the
Clarion River stuff is that Dale has all of the data, so any scheme
I come up with, means more work for poor Dale.
Ed Frank
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 12 2008 4:29 pm
From: dbhguru@comcast.net
Ed,
I'm glad you brought up the subject. I've spent a lot of time over
the years thinking about how to bring area into play to facilitate
fair comparisons among our sites. However, I fear I have often erred
by following political boundaries to advertize an area, more as a
sporting event than the practice of science. However, if we want to
do it right, we do have areas to experiment with where we could do
various kinds of hypothesis testing. In particular, MTSF provides us
with a wealth of data that can be sensitized to area computed in a
variety of ways. In fact, Mohawk amply reveals how important it is
to organize around habitat. Fortunately, most of the forests in
Mohawk fall into the mature to very mature classification, so area
expansions don't bring into play very young forests or buildings and
sidewalks. There is very little truly young forest in Mohawk.
By contrast, the Connecticut River Valley is a patchwork of fields,
towns, and forests. There are swaths of mature trees along stream
corridors, in yards and parks, and in the forested zone bordering
the valley. But there seems little to be gained by merely expanding
an area in the valley unless the expansion incorporates big tree
habitat. Expanding into areas that don't have have trees
sufficiently mature to communicate species potential has limited
value.
In Mohawk, concave areas on ridge sides, toe slopes, and ravines
contribute most of our big/tall tree habitat. I'm inclined to add up
the acreage in those areas instead of starting at a point and
expanding outward.
Bob
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