More tall tree news   abi-@u.washington.edu   Aug 29, 2006 07:59 PDT  Greetings, In the light of recent events, this may seem a bit mundane, but America has its first, laser-documented tree over 180 feet. The Pacific Northwest's native cottonwood, Populus balsamifera trichocarpa, was measured yeaterday to 180.3 feet to a live, healthy top. This was a tree I reported earlier this Spring as over 179 feet. Based on information from Will on second-growth Liriodendron, this west coast record will probably be short lived. And we are STILL trying to find a second species over 150 feet... Cheers, - BVP Tallest hardwood?   abi-@u.washington.edu   May 10, 2006 11:25 PDT  Greetings, I just returned from some fieldwork and went to remeasure the Lewis River cottonwood in Southern Washington. The tree has two different sprigs that pop above 179 feet, with the tallest being 179.6! Since this is just May, and both leaders are thrifty, it seems likely that one or both of the leaders will be over 180 feet by September, making this, I believe, THE TALLEST NATIVE HARDWOOD IN NORTH AMERICA!! Cheers, - BVP RE: Tallest hardwood?   Robert Leverett   May 12, 2006 05:54 PDT  Will and Bob,    It would be interesting to compare the density of the tall cottonwoods in a few stands where there is one or more very tall ones to the density of tall tuliptrees in a few stands where there is one or more very tall tuliptrees, e.g. the best against the best to get a better idea about averages and probabilities. Given stands of tuliptrees and cottonwoods on comparably good growing sites for the two species and sufficient age on the stands, are we likely to find the stand height average to be greater for the cottonwood or the tuliptree?    We now know that there are many places in the East where tuliptrees break 150 feet. In fact, it has become clear that the tuliptree has more trees in the 150 and above height class, by far, than any other eastern species including the lordly white pine. Above 150, the tulips snake their way into the 160s in the middle and southern latitudes and then the species height curve takes a sharp dive. Based on what we're seeing from our ENTS measurements, a very small fraction make it into the 170s, but so far none have been confirmed in the 180s - although there is little doubt in my mind that a few have done it historically. I suspect that the high 180s represents the absolute best that the species can do.    But back to the contest. In choosing the tallest hardwood in the U.S., do we go with the species with the single tallest individual or do we go with some kind of average or statistical distribution? I assume there is a scattering of the pacific cost cottonwoods that are in the 170s and many in the 150s. Is that true Bob? Will, the gauntlet has been thrown down. We gotta find a 180-foot tulip this summer. Bob RE: Tallest hardwood?   abi-@u.washington.edu   May 12, 2006 18:36 PDT  Bob and Will, Open-grown cottonwoods over 150 feet tall are fairly easy to find. Forest grown cottonwoods over 165 feet tall are super common, yet I have only measured 7 trees over 175 feet tall. From my observations from ground-based and within-tree surveys (I have spent several days on rope in giant cottonwoods), there is a continual breakage of thumbsized twigs that goes on in the crowns of these trees. Like many Salix species, the last set of twigs before the leaves are brittle and snap off with the slightest pressure. With these record height trees, this is probably in part due to some relationship with moisture stress, but is a feature of the trees in general. My guess would be that your second-growth Liriodendrons that are over 170 feet tall have a better chance of reaching 190 feet than any of the Populus I am familiar with. Cheers, - BVP RE: Tallest hardwood?   abi-@u.washington.edu   May 14, 2006 10:06 PDT  Greetings, To keep things in perspective, here is an interesting recent development. One of my close associates, who works with me quite a bit and is quite good with tree measurements, was working on Catalina Island in southern California and measured some trees in a grove of Eucalyptus globulus. He measured several trees over 230 feet tall, with one just over 239 feet! These trees have their roots in a stream drainage, and have sunny weather nearly every day of the year. These are easily the tallest Angiosperm trees in the Western Hemisphere! They are also not even 100 years old! That is the good news. All of these trees are scheduled for removal because the island is trying to restore native ecosystems by removing non-native vegetation. We will certainly try to obtain some canopy-level info before their demise, but I am not sure if we have any recourse in trying to save these extremely significant trees. D'oh! - BVP   Home