PA Trees with limited measurements    Edward Frank
  Sep 26, 2005 18:38 PDT 
ENTS,

Scott and other ENTS,

Dale sent me a table of trees he felt were undermeasured in Pennsylvania. I had not intended to post it, but I am curious about what species people think are under-measured in their locations. What do you need to measure more of in MTSF, in GSMNP, in the Brevard Fault Zone, In Arkansas, in Zoar, etc.? I have posted the document as a word document on the web site if any of you are intersted in seeing the list:

http://www.nativetreesociety.org/fieldtrips/penna/limited_data.doc

Comments? I know Colby encouraged measuring all of the trees species in a stand not just the tallest ones. Some of his descriptions, or Cochoran Woods   http://www.nativetreesociety.org/fieldtrips/maryland/index_maryland.htm , Chase Creek, and Belt Woods are posted on the website.

Ed Frank

Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:11:48 -0400

Thread-Topic: PA Tree Database

From: "Luthringer, Dale J"

To: "Edward Frank" "Robert.Leverett"

Ed,

We have very few samples of sassafras, serviceberry, and Am. chestnut in our PA database... I'd say less than 20 for each species. I often compare results that I get with Bob, et. al. to see where our measurements stand in relation to other areas. If I don't have a "status" named for the tree ie: tallest, state champ, etc., it's either because we have limited data, or we don't have enough data on that species yet.

Here's a list of trees that I'll call, "trees of concern". These are trees that we have limited data for in PA,or with more searching could probably find a taller representative. Just my take... Bob may want to weigh in on this too.

Species

Greatest height

Limited Data

Possible Taller Specimen
 

Likely

With much searching

Unlikely
 

Am. basswood 
(Tilia americana)

123.2

x

  

x

  

Am. beech 
(Fagus grandifolia)

127.5

    

x

  

Am. chestnut 
(Castenea dentata)

75

x

x

    

Am. elm 
(Ulmus americana)

94.7

x

x

    

Am. Hornbeam (Carpinus caroliniana)

42.9

x

x

    

apple 
(Malus sp.)

36.5

x

x

    

balsam fir 
(Abies balsalmea)

91.8

x

    

x

bigtooth aspen 
(Populus grandidentata)

101.5

x

x

    

black birch
(Betula lenta)

107.9

    

x

  

black cherry 
(Prunus serotina)

137.3

    

x

  

black gum 
(Nyssa sylvatica)

109.5

    

x

  

black oak
(Quercus velutina)

116.7

x

  

x

  

black locust
(Robinia psuedoacacia)

116.5

    

x

  

black spruce
(Picea mariana)

82.1

x

  

x

  

black walnut
(Juglans nigra)

121.1

x

  

x

  

black willow
(Salix nigra)

69.9

x

x

    

blackhaw viburnum
(Viburnum prunifolium)

19.9

x

      

bur oak
(Quercus macrocarpa)

105.1

x

      

butternut
(Juglans cinerea)

104.6

x

  

x

  

chestnut oak
(Quercus prinus)

111.1

    

x

  

common hackberry
(Celtis occidentalis)

99.1

x

x

    

common winterberry holly

12.5

x

x

    

cottonwood
(Populus deltoides)

125.4

x

  

x

  

cucumbertree
(Magnolia acuminata)

125.6

    

x

  

E. hemlock

145.7

      

x

E. hophornbeam

71.8

x

  

x

  

E. red cedar

83.0

x

  

x

  

E. white pine

182.1

      

x

flowering dogwood

42

x

  

x

  

great rhododendron

20

x

  

x

  

Hawthorn

34.1

x

x

    

Hercules club
(Aralia spinosa)

35.4

x

  

x

  

hobblebush virburnum

16.9

x

  

x

  

honey locust

85

x

x

    

mockernut hickory

117.6

x

      

mountain holly

16.7

x

x

    

mountain laurel

18.3

x

  

x

  

mountain maple

25.5

x

x

    

northern white cedar

48

x

      

pignut hickory

103.4

x

      

pin oak

  

x

      

pitch pine

95.3

x

  

x

  

quaking aspen

78.1+

x

x

    

red pine

96.4

x

x

    

red spruce

94.6

x

  

x

  

Sassafrass

100.5

x

  

x

  

scarlet oak

90.1+

x

x

    

scrub oak

  

x

      

Serviceberry (Amalanchier)

65.4+

x

x

    

shagbark hickory

118.2

x

x

    

shellbark hickory

105.5

x

      

silver maple

123.3

x

  

x

  

slippery elm

124.6

    

x

  

Spicebush

16.7

x

x

    

southern magnolia
(Magnolia grandiflora)

57

x

      

staghorn sumac

28.5

x

x

    

sugar maple

123.4

    

x

  

swamp white oak

111

x

  

x

  

Sweetgum

85

x

      

Sycamore

139

    

x

  

white ash

139.7

    

x

  

white birch

71.6

x

x

    

witch hazel

37.8

x

    

x

yellow birch

104.9

    

x

  

yellow buckeye

91.6

x

x

    
           
 
PA Trees with limited measurements    Scott Wade
  Sep 27, 2005  

I have updated the spreadsheet and attached it with some numbers I have here from Se Pa. the ones I changed are highlighted in blue. Species I didn't see on the list are at the top. I wrote sweetgum st the top due to the unapproved number. I might have some other numbers for you, but the common names were to vague.

Quercus stellata                   64’
Taxodium distichum            112’
Quercus marilandica             62’  61’  41’
Quercus heterophylla           75’
Oxydendrum arboreum        51’
Magnolia grandiflora             57’
Liquidambar styraciflua        86’  state champ says 100’, but not an ENTS measurement
Halesia carolina var monticola  66’
Gymnocladus dioicus               77’
Diospyrus virginiana                 74’