John de la Howe School OG    Greentr-@aol.com
  Oct 30, 2003 16:59 PST 
Will B,
After years of hearing about John de la Howe School Old Growth, I finally
went down and spied out the land. This 5,000 acre compound was originally
settled in 1765. This mixed forest is butted up against Sumter National Forest (the
site of the National Champion Shagbark Hickory). In his will, Prof Howe
designated 1,000 acres be left undisturbed. For one reason or another, only 160
acres have been so left since "1796". About 10 years ago, this climax
community suffered a terrible SPB outbreak, shortly after, a rare SC tornado touched down in the same exact area. 

This pristine OG remnant of a bygone area was
pretty much gutted because of natural elements, the South's past fancy of
overplanting "SPB food" and the school's failure to allow sound forest management,
which would have called for "access roads" and "cut-n-leave felling" (to stop
the SPB outbreak). While a 200 to 500 yard periphery of 2 to 4 feet diameter
pines (some 'possibly' 140 foot tall), and 2 to 5 foot diameter chestnut oak,
red oak, and yellow poplar remain. If there "were" record size OG here, they
are now gone. One oak that recently failed showed 217 growth rings. 

I did get
close to several wild turkeys and found some 18th century remains of
civilization. Sound forestry management may have better honored the late Prof's dying
wish to have all 1,000 acres preserved "forever". They're now down to 160
acres, the heart of which, has been gutted by pests, wind events & and poor
management. Since you're so close to GSMNP, this is not worth your drive down
here. Shangrila will have to wait. If I ever make a return trip and find a record
height pine for you to climb, I'll waste no time in contacting you. I do
believe you would enjoy Jekyl Island, GA.


Randy     

RE: John de la Howe School OG    Will Blozan
  Oct 30, 2003 18:36 PST 
Thanks for checking it out.... I would be very interested in white pine heights 
and your impression of
other tree heights.

Will
Re: John de la Howe School OG    Greentr-@aol.com
  Oct 30, 2003 19:04 PST 
Will,

No white pines in this forest. Loblolly, shortleaf, slash, and even
longleaf. Though a few of these "look" about 10 to 20 feet taller than that 124'
white oak I measured a month ago, none looked even close to the 169 foot loblolly
in our "big swamp" (Congaree). Unlike places much north of here, if you're
talking "white" pines, just west of John de la Howe, there are more 150 to 160
footers than you can shake a stick at. 

RC