Strike's Pay Dirt
28, 2003 12:24 PST
Yes, Linda better lock the door. Being stuck indoors and at the
will of my
wife has me chomping at the bits... She loved the feeling of
power as she
ignored my recent tips during my last bout of back seat driving.
I told her
that I had to "temporarily relinquish my authority"...
she'll just tell you
that she was always in charge anyway!
The yellow birch is the tallest we've found so far in PA. I was
to think that I'd have to go to the Adirondacks to find a yellow
10ft CBH though. I was also starting to think they didn't exist
in PA that
big in forest grown form.
It looks like you've got all the tallest listed for the state,
Will's magnificent finds in Fairmont.
Ricketts Glen was interesting, being that it was a geographical
area. The park guide said it is a meeting ground for both
southern hardwood forests, although I couldn't find information
underground geologic formations that might aid their
development. The many
white ash and old tulips made a stark contrast for me when
compared to the
old hemlock and white pine, then throw in the old sugar maple
measure. I think some interesting patterns have developed here
in terms of
acid:base soil and the trees that prefer these sites.
Topica problems continue to persist. It looks like topica
'hotmail' too well. I'm only receiving some of the ENTS e-mails
address. They were originally throwing some of the ENTS e-mails
'junk e-mail' folder. So, it looks like I won't be able to
all e-mails proficiently until I get back on my feet. I'll try
the topica website specifically from time to time.
Strike's Pay Dirt
My 3 whirlwind visits to Ricketts Glen
left me wondering what was really
there and your two-day visit has answered the question
Absolutely stellar trip report, Dale. ENTS at its best. In
yellow birch soars to the top of the PA yellow birch list
Splendid tree. No toothpick upstart.
I was tickled at the high Rucker index.
I thought Ricketts Glen deserved
a high number, and By Jove, now it has its just due. Logically,
have lots of good sites with relatively high Rucker indices. The
right. Some species are yet to get their place in the sun.
sycamore will eventually produce some very high numbers as
PA is firmly on the top of NE state lists.
White pine 181.3
Black cherry 140
E. hemlock 145.3
red maple 136.6
White ash 135.7
N. red oak 135.2
Bitternut h. 134.2
White oak 124.8
Rucker index 143.07
Have I missed anything? The
143.07 jumps well ahead of Mass and New
York. In time sycamore will climb into the mid-140s and a
140-foot white ash
will be confirmed. My prediction is that PA's index will
145. I think that North Carolina's index is currently about 163,
Mike's pignut hickory confirmation. I suspect the overall north
differential will prove to be about 20 points.
I'm sure it is a bummer being
down, but you'll build up a tremendous
tree measuring debt. When you are back on your feet, Katie bar
the door - or
perhaps Linda lock the door, if your wife wants to keep you
Dale Strike's Pay Dirt
28, 2003 15:24 PST
PA's Rucker index is already higher than I
thought any state index in the the Northeast would go. What I
hadn't taken into consideration when we first started using the
index was the differences within the life cycles of the tree
species we follow as to when they reach their maximum heights.
Mature second growth stands produces the overall tallest forests
although the longer lived a species, the later it achieves its
greatest height. I suspect that white pine ordinarily achieves
its greatest height between 150 and 200 years, although I think
some reach their greatest heights much later. What are your
thoughts on the time cycle?
Dale Strike's Pay Dirt
28, 2003 18:31 PST
The only '2nd growth approaching old growth' site in PA that I
good amount of data to compare with to old growth is the
Gorge site along Lake Erie, and this site is mostly all
tallest tuliptrees and white ash here are probably somewhere in
100-150 class and surpass the tallest heights of these same
old growth at Cook Forest. The Wintergreen Gorge site is mostly
protected via the steep sides, although there has been some
recent blowdown events in the tall tulips that have opened
things up a
bit and changed some crown structure. Few red oaks have reached
age here and barely break 105-110ft. I've found very few white
Here are my estimates of ages for the PA trees I've measured.
sure of Will's finds in Fairmont, although I don't think he
those would go over 175 years:
Species Height Est.
Age Site Slope
White pine 181.3 225-275 Cook
Black cherry 140 175-225 Cook
Sycamore 139 ? Fairmont ?
Tuliptree 158.6 ? Fairmont ?
E. hemlock 145.3 300+ Cook
red maple 136.6 75-100
Wintergreen west/bottom steep gorge
White ash 135.7 ? Fairmont ?
N. red oak 135.2 ? Fairmont ?
Bitternut h. 134.2 ? Fairmont ?
White oak 124.8 225+ Cook
Forest flat/next to trib
I'm sure Will puts the Boogerman Pine at over 200 years, 250-275
be my guess, and we know that tree went over 200ft. Most of what
would call my oldest white pine would definitely not be the
although the Seneca Pine at 172ft, and the Anders Run Pine at
could probably put in the 350 year age class. The Wintergreen,
suspect the Fairmont site also, probably has some fairly neutral
but Cook Forest would definitely side to be more acidic in
its tall conifers.
Zoar Valley is probably comparable to Wintergreen in terms of
steep valleys, although Wintergreen is on a much smaller scale.
wonder what Tom & Bruce has for estimated ages on their
tallest trees at
Zoar? I know the tall red oak (~131) wasn't very old. I'd say
definitely less than 100.
It's definitely a hard thing to put my finger on, but it would
make the most sense that overtime, the greatest percentage of
(200+) trees in a protected site, with similar soils and aspect,
be shorter than younger trees (100-200) in the same site. You
too many chances over a few centuries to not have your top blown
fried, or frozen to get to be record breaking tall at the end of
life stage. We all know that many of our oldest trees, are our
29, 2003 06:07 PST
I would bet anything the Boogerman Pine is 350 years old. The
next to it was cored in 1993 and is now 345 years old at b.h.
"Dale's Demise", one of the other 180'+ white pines in
the Smokies, is
probably less than 120 years old.