Northern Ohio Commentary   Steve Galehouse
  Jul 14, 2006 07:21 PDT 

If you get to northeastern Ohio, a couple of major sites worth seeing
are Little Mountain in Lake County, http://www.holdenarb.org/cons.htm ,
an elevated sandstone plateau with a beautiful white
pine/hemlock/beech-maple forest--a portion of it is managed by Holden
Arboretum, and Johnson's Woods near Wooster (formerly known as Graber's
woodlot), with a mature flatland oak/hickory forest with trees 4'-5' in diameter
and 120' tall http://www.ohiodnr.com/dnap/location/johnson_woods.html .
Also nice areas in the Cuyahoga Valley National Park and the Akron and
Cleveland Metropark systems. If ENTS types are in NE Ohio on Sunday
7/21, I'd love to try to meet up with you.

Steve Galehouse, Bay Village OH

  Fores-@aol.com wrote:

Bob:

If you get to Ohio, try to see if you can find some old burr oak.
From what I have seen they grow better in OH than anywhere else and
they have been favored for so long that some of the old farms have
retained impressive stands.

Russ
Re: Northeastern Ohio   Randy Brown
  Jul 17, 2006 17:50 PDT 


I grew up in NW Ohio and yes Bur Oak is very prominent. Battling it
out with Red Oak and Swamp White oak for largest oak in most woodlots
(with a few exceptional chinquapins here and there). Most of the
trees you see in farmers fields are either Burr or Swamp White.

As far as 'finding some nice stands' on private property, good luck.   
Grain prices have not been kind to family farm and the woodlots have
been heavily utilized for income. Since 1980 the many good woodlots
in this part of the state have been high graded. The ones that
aren't hit by their owners are eventually hit by their heirs (often
to pay inheritance taxes I've heard). Most of what you will see is a
few massive wolf trees around the edges and a scattering of 2-4'
diameter stumps in the interior. The really unfortunate thing is
that these oaks trees are not regenerating because of fire
suppression. Most woodlots are selectively logged and the smallish
light gaps favor the regeneration of Ash, basswood, elm, & sugar
maple. The few exceptions to this rule are the few woodlots that
ceased being used for heavy grazing in the last 20 years.   The
grazing kept the stands quite open, almost savannah-like. In these
areas you will see a lot young oak and Black Walnut, with a good dose
of ash and elm.

Most Elm trees in this part of the state live perhaps 20, maybe
years.   The elm can dominate a freshly cut patch of woods or a fence
row and then they will all die over the course of 5 years. You can
often watch dutch elm methodically march down a fence row. Death of
individual trees is typically quite rapid. Often a small tree say
8'-12' in diameter and ~30'-40' tall can go from a few suspicious
yellow leaves to a mass of crispy brown dead leaves in 4-8 weeks.


The Ohio Nature preserve system does have a few nice woodlots that
are preserved. The most impressive by far is Goll Woods in far
Northwest Ohio.   I've been to both Goll and Johnson Woods and IMHO
the tree in Goll Woods are much more visually impressive (though I
haven't actually measured the trees). You'll also find a few hollow
cottonwoods holding out against the greater longevity of the Oaks.   
Here too the understory is dominated by Maples.

http://www.ohiodnr.com/dnap/location/goll_woods.html

The next most impressive is Gross Woods. It has a few oaks as large
as Goll Woods but the woodlot is a lot smaller, with fewer
exceptionally large trees.    I was there two winters ago after a
serious Ice Storm.   The Oaks were unfazed, but the fine lattice of
beech twigs resulted in massive destruction of the beeches. Many
were almost devoid of small leaf bearing limbs.   The preserve is
actually half of a formally contiguous woodlot. If you jump the line
fence you find the remains of the other half of the forest that was
logged off before it could be preserved. Small trees and big stumps.

http://www.ohiodnr.com/dnap/location/gross_woods.html

And the runners up being Sears & Carmean woods which consist of a
nice stand of ~3-4' diameter oaks (mostly white) along a river
bluff. One riverside oak tree had a 3/8" braided cable wrapped
tightly around it's base, with its loose end trailing into the
river. I visited this tree ~10 years apart. On the first visit the
cable was visibly girdling the tree, and the crown looked a little
stressed. On the second visit the tree had engulfed perhaps 1/3 of
the cable, and appeared to be in good health again. I cut the cable
off anyway. The alarming popping noises the cable strands made as I
cut them gave witness to the tension in the cable.

Also of some interest is Lawrence woods which is of local interest.   
First because of it's acreage. At ~500 acres of contiguous forest
it's by far the largest in the county (most are 20-40 acres, with
perhaps a few 100 acre lots with multiple owners).   It was formerly
managed by a single family.   Second the uniform size of the trees
throughout, 2-3' in diameter and maybe 80'-90' tall. Unlike most
woodlots the population of wolf trees is almost zero. I imagine it
must have been practically flattened some 100-120 years ago for such
uniform regeneration of oak.   Roughly a 1/3 of it was selectively
logged in the last 15-20 years or so, but many good trees were left
for the next rotation.   Fortunately, the state acquired the property
almost on the eve of it's liquidation.   When the paint was still
fresh, you could follow the path the timber cruisers took through the
woods, marking off some 3000 trees.

Randy Brown
Cottonwood photos   Steve Galehouse
  Jul 19, 2006 07:13 PDT 

Here are links to pics of a big Eastern cottonwood along the Black River
in Lorain Co. Ohio--approx. 6.5'diameter and about 110'-120'.
http://usera.imagecave.com/srgalehouse/Tree_pics/CottonwoodBlackRiver-copy.jpg

http://usera.imagecave.com/srgalehouse/Tree_pics/CottonwoodBlackRiver2-copy.jpg


Also in this park area are some nice bur, white, and swamp white oaks.
The pics below show two white oaks, both in the 3'-4' diam. range and
about 50' apart--one has unusual plated bark, the other has typical
bark.
http://usera.imagecave.com/srgalehouse/Tree_pics/WhiteoakatypicalbarkBurOakmetropark-copy.jpg

http://usera.imagecave.com/srgalehouse/Tree_pics/WhiteoaktypicalbarkBurOakmetropark-copy.jpg

Here is a link to the park--part of the Black River Reservation:
http://www.loraincountymetroparks.com/black.htm  The park is about 10
minutes from the Rt.57/turnpike interchange
It's primarily a floodplain woods with cottonwood, silver maple, pin
oak, Ohio buckeye, and some very nice black walnut.  Sycamore is also
present, but not as prevalent as I expected it to be. 

Steve Galehouse
RE: Cottonwood photos   Robert Leverett
  Jul 19, 2006 10:06 PDT 

Steve,

   Very impressive. It is now apparent to me that Ohio still has
isolated patches of very impressive trees that need to be documented by
ENTS. I had not understood the number of small 50 to 150 acres areas of
mature to old growth woodlands in Ohio. You and Randy Brown have really
opened some eyes - mine in particular.

Bob