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TOPIC: Green Hills Cemetery Trees_Asheville NC
http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees/browse_thread/thread/566b5c4c5ced8017?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 8:53 pm
From: James Parton
ENTS,
Today Joy and I visited Green Hills Cemetery since some of our
relatives were laid to rest here. This place has some really pretty
trees and is landscaped very well. One of the tallest Apple trees
that
I have seen is here. It reminded me of the discussion on Apple trees
that we had just a short time back. Check out measurements.
CBH Height
Apple 3' 3 1/2" 49.29'!
Catalpa 11' 4 1/4" 75.05'
Catalpa 10' 5 1/2" 71.51'
Southern Magnolia 54.82'
Does anyone know how big Catalpa can get? These are the biggest ones
I have seen.
James Parton
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 9:11 pm
From: "Edward Frank"
James,
From Jess Riddle's List:
Catalpa speciosa Northern Catalpa Circumference 133 Open Vanderbilt
Estate Hudson River
Catalpa speciosa Northern Catalpa Height 95.5 Open Vanderbilt
Estate Hudson River
Scott Wade measured a good sized southern catalpa in SE
Pennsylvania:
Southern Catalpa
Catalpa bignonioides measured: 2004 Girth 271 Height 68 Spread 75 AF
Points: 358
Washington Ave., Wycombe, ENTS Method Scott Wade, Meg Varnes, Bucks
County
From the American Forests Registry (Data quality unknown):
CATALPA
Northern Catalpa speciosa 2003 Girth 293 Height 82 Spread 90
Points397 Vanderburgh, IN Thomas E Westfall
Southern Catalpa bignonioides 2000 Girth 271 Height 88 Spread 68
Points 376 Yalobusha Co., MS J Ferguson, J Edwards, G Byrd
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 9:29 pm
From: James Parton
Ed,
How do you tell the difference between Southern and Northern
Catalpa?
For years I thought Palownia was a type of Catalpa but found out
they
are a different species. They are naturalized in alot of areas
around
here. They have very fragrant purple blossoms in May.
JP
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 10:07 pm
From: "Edward Frank"
James,
I have encountered a number of Catalpas in the field and have never
been sure how to distinguish them. Your question sent me on an
internet quest to find an answer, with somewhat mixed results. I did
find a Key and some general comments about the two species. Maybe
someone else can give you a more definitive answer, but this is what
I found:
Northern
Flower/Fruit: Upright panicle of white, bell shaped flowers with
orange strips and purple spots and strips.
Leaves are simple, large ovate to ovate-oblong, from 8 to 12 inches
long, are heart-shaped tropical looking without any lobes and are
yellowish green in color. Leaves are generally opposite on large
branches and often whorled in 3 on young stems. They turn an
undistinguished yellow in the fall before dropping.
Southern
Flowers: 6 to 12" panicle of white bell shaped flowers with two
rows and ridges of yellow spots and numerous purple spots in early
summer Flowers later than C. speciosa and has more purple color.
Leaves are simple, may be opposite or whorled (3 per node),
pinnately veined, 5 to 12 inches long , 4 to 6 inches broad, heart
shaped at the base, and have a long petiole with entire margins and
soft pubescence on the underside, which is also a lighter green than
the top surface.
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http://ohioline.osu.edu/b700/b700_66.html
Key to Catalpa Species
I. Leaves are 6-12 inches (15-301/2 cm) long with acuminate leaf
tips. Foliage has no odor when crushed. Flowers are white with
yellow-striped or brown-dotted throats. Flowers are borne in
comparatively small terminal panicles. Flowers open in June.
Catalpa speciosa-Northern Catalpa
II. Leaves are 4-8 inches (10-20 cm) long with abruptly acuminate
leaf tips. Foliage has an unpleasant odor when crushed. Flowers are
white with yellow stripes and brown dots in the throat. Flowers are
borne in many-flowered clusters and open in June and July.
Catalpa bignonioides-Southern Catalpa
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http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/tabid/5349/default.aspx
Northern Catalpa
Edward Frank
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 10:26 pm
From: James Parton
Ed,
Thanks for the research. I will have to study this myself.
JP
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